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Title: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 02, 2009, 04:44:33 PM
Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos

Ammunition manufacturers caution that the .17 HMR is unsafe for use in semi-auto firearms.

By Paul Rackley, Associate Online Shooting Editor

(http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/images/2009-10/20091016145258-17_hmr_ammo_ms.jpg)

Major ammunition manufacturers have issued safety notices concerning the use of .17 HMR ammunition in semi-auto firearms. According to the manufacturers, firing .17 HMR ammo in semi-auto firearms could result in property damage or serious personal injury and should be immediately discontinued.

CCI (http://www.cci-ammunition.com/whatsnew/warnings.aspx), Federal (http://www.federalpremium.com/whats_new/safety_notice.aspx), Hornady (http://www.hornady.com/message-17hmr-091509.php), Remington (http://www.remington.com/safety/17_HMR_Ammo_notice/default.asp) and Winchester (http://www.winchester.com/news/newsview.aspx?storyid=272) have all issued statements warning consumers not to use .17 HMR ammunition in semi-auto firearms until contacting the manufacture to determine if the specific type of firearm is safe to handle .17 HMR ammunition.

Press releases concerning the safety notices state: "17 HMR ammunition is manufactured in accordance with standards issued by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures' Institute (SAAMI). Subsequent to the design and introduction of 17 HMR ammunition in the market, 17 HMR semi-automatic firearms were introduced by various firearm manufacturers. Those firearms have proven to be incompatible with 17 HMR ammunition. 17 HMR ammunition is suitable for use in quality firearms in good condition that are not semi-automatic."

Remington has issued a recall of its .17 HMR ammunition, as well as its Model 597 .17 HMR semi-auto rifle as there is no safe .17 HMR ammunition available for the rifle.

Remington is providing free shipping to return Model 597 .17 HMR semi-auto rifles to Remington along with coupons to replace the rifle with another Remington firearm. Consumers will receive a $200 coupon for synthetic stock Model 597 rifles, and a $250 coupon for laminate stock Model 597 rifles.

Remington is also providing $10 coupons to purchase Remington ammunition for every 50 round box of Remington .17 HMR ammunition returned to Remington.

For instructions on returning a Remington Model 597 .17 HMR semi-auto rifle or .17 HMR ammunition, contact the Remington Consumer Service Department at (800) 243-9700, prompt No. 3.



Courtesy of [urlhttp://www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?cid=30&id=1927]American Rifleman[/url]
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: jonnythehunter1 on November 03, 2009, 11:08:29 AM
too bad its not good for semi autos. if the guns gonna blow up or something on me, id just stick with .22 LR.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 04, 2009, 09:39:08 AM
too bad its not good for semi autos. if the guns gonna blow up or something on me, id just stick with .22 LR.
The problem is in the rifles and not the ammo.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: jonnythehunter1 on November 04, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
The problem is in the rifles and not the ammo.
anthing could go wrong cause theres different actions that the .17 hasnt been seen in. also, its intended for varmint applications not for squirrels. its expensive to get and feed. in my opnion, .17 should not be used to confuse begginers and peta worshipers.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Nick_T on November 04, 2009, 04:19:27 PM
Dang, and I've been drooling over one of those Magnum Research HMR autos.

Nick T
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 04, 2009, 04:56:49 PM
Dang, and I've been drooling over one of those Magnum Research HMR autos.

Nick T

If the gun is designed for it, then there isn't a problem.  O0




anthing could go wrong cause theres different actions that the .17 hasnt been seen in. also, its intended for varmint applications not for squirrels. its expensive to get and feed. in my opnion, .17 should not be used to confuse begginers and peta worshipers.

If you had done your research on this before speaking, you would know that the main problem with this is where people convert .22 WMR into .17 HMR by changing the barrel.

Also, I'm curious as to why you say that they're for varmints and not for squirrels.  Cite your source please.  And just what kind of "varmints" would you be talking about?  Again, if you had done research on it before speaking, you would have found that squirrel hunting is the primary application for the .17 HMR.

The .17 HMR is more expensive than .22 cartridges, yes.  But the accuracy is greater, and over a longer distance than .22's.  With the increased accuracy and longer range, you end up shooting less in the long run.  I've killed 6 squirrels this year, with 6 shots.  How many people that shoot .22's can say that?
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: jonnythehunter1 on November 04, 2009, 06:12:30 PM
If the gun is designed for it, then there isn't a problem.  O0




If you had done your research on this before speaking, you would know that the main problem with this is where people convert .22 WMR into .17 HMR by changing the barrel.

Also, I'm curious as to why you say that they're for varmints and not for squirrels.  Cite your source please.  And just what kind of "varmints" would you be talking about?  Again, if you had done research on it before speaking, you would have found that squirrel hunting is the primary application for the .17 HMR.

The .17 HMR is more expensive than .22 cartridges, yes.  But the accuracy is greater, and over a longer distance than .22's.  With the increased accuracy and longer range, you end up shooting less in the long run.  I've killed 6 squirrels this year, with 6 shots.  How many people that shoot .22's can say that?

so now youre saying that .22s arent accurate? my dad has told me about him getting eye shots on squirrels quite far away. and the website i got this from is gone. but .17 is only for varmints like ground hogs prarie dogs and jackrabbits. besides, a .17 scoped with expensive optics is for fat, lazy people who alert the whole forest when they go hunting.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 04, 2009, 08:33:12 PM
You better ease up on the "fat, lazy people" stuff kid.  You need to grow up a whole lot and listen more than speak right now at your age.  You might actually learn something.

The .17 HMR is a good groundhog round, but it will fall short on prairie dogs due to the ranges that they're normally shot at.  Jackrabbits, it may also be good at.  I don't know and haven't heard of very many, if anyone, using them for that.  For squirrels though, they are deadly and is the primary animal that they are used on.

As far as your dad, I don't know what he's capable of or the shots that he has made.  All I can attest to is all of the research and testing performed by EXPERTS on firearms and ballistics.  The .17 HMR is without a doubt, more accurate than a .22 LR or .22 WMR.  Both the .22 LR & WMR are accurate to a certain extent, but due to the bullet design of the .17, they just can't compete with it.

If you can't accept that and keep wanting to insult people, then you might want to go find another sandbox to play in.  Disagreeing with someone is one thing, but if you're going to insult people and get personal, then it's best you go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: jonnythehunter1 on November 04, 2009, 08:52:51 PM
You better ease up on the "fat, lazy people" stuff kid.  You need to grow up a whole lot and listen more than speak right now at your age.  You might actually learn something.

The .17 HMR is a good groundhog round, but it will fall short on prairie dogs due to the ranges that they're normally shot at.  Jackrabbits, it may also be good at.  I don't know and haven't heard of very many, if anyone, using them for that.  For squirrels though, they are deadly and is the primary animal that they are used on.

As far as your dad, I don't know what he's capable of or the shots that he has made.  All I can attest to is all of the research and testing performed by EXPERTS on firearms and ballistics.  The .17 HMR is without a doubt, more accurate than a .22 LR or .22 WMR.  Both the .22 LR & WMR are accurate to a certain extent, but due to the bullet design of the .17, they just can't compete with it.

If you can't accept that and keep wanting to insult people, then you might want to go find another sandbox to play in.  Disagreeing with someone is one thing, but if you're going to insult people and get personal, then it's best you go somewhere else.
oh no! some body else hijacked the computer and posted that. not me. it happens when i go away to do something and leave the computer unattended to about 3 people.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Ks_Sniper on November 04, 2009, 09:04:38 PM
I recommend you lock up your computer when you're not with it & find out who almost got you into some pretty hot water.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: jonnythehunter1 on November 04, 2009, 09:06:47 PM
I recommend you lock up your computer when you're not with it & find out who almost got you into some pretty hot water.
dont worry i already got him.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Juandogg on November 04, 2009, 09:50:35 PM
I agree only old bums who aint good enuf to get closer use them glorified bb guns
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: bohicajuan on November 04, 2009, 10:03:57 PM
So now we have gremlins hacking onto our board?
 :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink:

Did I ever tell y'all about the time I killed an elephant with my pubic hair?

200 yard shot at least!
 :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: jonnythehunter1 on November 06, 2009, 07:12:32 AM
.17 is for people who like long range shots. not so here. so i do have a good ability to get close to squirrels. so .17s arent good for close range situations because most people top them with heavy and thick optics that are a pain in the arse to get off. you never know when a stupid squirrel will pop up in front of you. and if you dont have a scope and have to take longer range shots, squirrels wil just bust open when you shoot them with the .17 .shoot them with a .22 and there will be very little damage. sometimes there will be time you just cant trust these so-called "experts" when all there trying to do is get you to buy their companys stuff.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 06, 2009, 09:10:24 AM
I agree only old bums who aint good enuf to get closer use them glorified bb guns
  :tickedoff :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2  ;D
.17 is for people who like long range shots. not so here. so i do have a good ability to get close to squirrels. so .17s arent good for close range situations because most people top them with heavy and thick optics that are a pain in the arse to get off. you never know when a stupid squirrel will pop up in front of you. and if you dont have a scope and have to take longer range shots, squirrels wil just bust open when you shoot them with the .17 .shoot them with a .22 and there will be very little damage. sometimes there will be time you just cant trust these so-called "experts" when all there trying to do is get you to buy their comp anys stuff.
Yeh? True, many "gun writers" just want to sell what they write and sell what they wriite about, but the .17 is a proven all around small game round.
And I bet I can still outsneak you on squirrels.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 06, 2009, 10:34:59 AM
The terrain has nothing to do with whether or not someone chooses a .17.  It's personal preference.  Some people like to take .243's for deer, other people will only take a .300 Win Mag, while still others will choose a different caliber.

The point is, unless you've hunted with one and have experience shooting one, you can't form an educated opinion of one.  It's just like with anything else, unless you've got experience with it, you really don't know for sure.

As for the gun writers, the 2 main ones I listen to are Dick Metcalf and David Petzel.  They work for magazines, not any gun or ammo companies.  They've also been at it long enough to know their stuff. O0

I like the .17 HMR because of the accuracy.  I like to hit exactly where I'm aiming, and at any distance.  You can do that with the .17.  You can't do that with a .22.  I've made greasy spots of errant flies that have landed on my targets when I've been shooting the .17.  Never could do that with a .22.

As for the "heavy glass" on the rifles..... :roll:  Again, unless you know for certain, you really shouldn't say anything about it.  I've got a 3.8 - 12 x 44 on the .17 HMR.  If you get an adjustable scope now days for squirrels, 9 times out of 10 it's going to be a 3-9 x 40 at least (you can't hardly find a 32 mm objective anymore).  The difference in weight between one of those and my scope is negligable. :roll:

As for the damage, with a .22 you may have to try body shots because of the reduced accuracy.  With the .17, you can shoot all of them in the head, which is going to be cut off anyway.  So, if anything, you waste more meat with a .22 than you do a .17.

It all comes down to personal preference.  The little .22 LR has killed more squirrels than probably will ever be killed with a .17.  Just as the .30-30 and .30-06 have killed more deer than probably all other calibers combined.  Do people still use other calibers for deer?  Yes.  Is there anything wrong with someone that wants to use a different caliber for deer?  No.  As long as something is legal, then it shouldn't matter to anyone else what that person uses. O0
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: MOSPARKY on November 06, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
As BC states it comes down to personal preference. I like knowing I can get dime size groups at 100 yds, maybe further. Can I actually see a squirrel at 100 yds? Probably not with these old eyes, and definately not without my glasses. But knowing I can pick the hair on any squirrel I do see, made it a worthy investment for me.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Nick_T on November 06, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
If the gun is designed for it, then there isn't a problem.  O0

I kinda wonder if the MR/HMRs are actually designed for the round. The action looks very much like the 10/22 Magnum action.

One day I might break down and get me one mainly for late season hunts, but I'll have to stay with the .22s as my mainstay. The cost of HMR shells alone would break my budget.  :)

Nick T
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: bohicajuan on November 06, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
Ah yes!!!

I remember when I was a kid and was an expert on everything......

I read and then plagerized! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 06, 2009, 09:06:11 PM
Ah yes!!!

I remember when I was a kid and was an expert on everything......

I read and then plagerized! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kids now days don't even do that. :roll:  They just mouth off without knowing anything. ;D :wink:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: flatland on November 06, 2009, 11:34:41 PM
I use a Marlin 917VS with a 17gr HP for hunting squirrel, it is a great round. I also use a Marlin 25MN .22 WMR at times. I have much respect for both rounds and have shot both hundreds of rounds .22WMR more like thousands... Both are close to about 100 yards. But after 100 yards the .17 holds much closer groups. I hunt with a scope on both guns, mainly because I am shooting from one hill top to the other some times 125 + yards. ( by the way I do most of my hunting in south west Tn.) So it is small hills there.Out of 10 shots with the .17 I may miss 1 @ 100 yards and with the .22 WMR 2 to 3 at 100 yards. Not saying all my shots are at that distance but with the land layout on the farm where the hickory trees and the Black walnuts are it kinda puts you in both of the best places to be and if I can see it I will try to reach out and touch it. I have also taken a Coyote at over 150 yds with the .17. So with what I have seen of the round I don't think a 22LR can hold up any where close to the .17 for distance and accuracy. As for closer range knock down power the 40gr .22 has more. It will probably boil down to personal preference. Just my 2 cents.   Paul
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 07, 2009, 08:51:02 AM
I use a Marlin 917VS with a 17gr HP for hunting squirrel, it is a great round. I also use a Marlin 25MN .22 WMR at times. I have much respect for both rounds and have shot both hundreds of rounds .22WMR more like thousands... Both are close to about 100 yards. But after 100 yards the .17 holds much closer groups. I hunt with a scope on both guns, mainly because I am shooting from one hill top to the other some times 125 + yards. ( by the way I do most of my hunting in south west Tn.) So it is small hills there.Out of 10 shots with the .17 I may miss 1 @ 100 yards and with the .22 WMR 2 to 3 at 100 yards. Not saying all my shots are at that distance but with the land layout on the farm where the hickory trees and the Black walnuts are it kinda puts you in both of the best places to be and if I can see it I will try to reach out and touch it. I have also taken a Coyote at over 150 yds with the .17. So with what I have seen of the round I don't think a 22LR can hold up any where close to the .17 for distance and accuracy. As for closer range knock down power the 40gr .22 has more. It will probably boil down to personal preference. Just my 2 cents.   Paul
  O0 That's a good way to put it as for hunting with rimfires, flatland.
Most of us that hunt with the HMR use the VMax and have good results. I've killed squirrels out to at least 150 yards with my .17. One, I took the top of a fox squirrel's head off while he was running aound in a tree in a pasture.  :twisted: He stopped just long enough for me to spot just the top of his head and sque-e-e-e-e-ze the trigger.  :twisted: :)
I didn't realize it at the time I shot, but my hunting pal was watching from a some distance behind and was greatly entertained while watching me. He was on his first hunt with his brand new Marlin .17HMR and was really impressed with how .17s shoot.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: flatland on November 07, 2009, 10:06:50 PM
Exactly! It really depends on your hunting area, some of use have to make longer shots due to terrain we hunt. When I hunt here in Florida. I will some time's break out my Grandpa's old Remington model 12 pump .22 loaded with shorts. Because I know most of my shots will be less than 50 yards mainly because of the heavy underbrush we have down here. But the way I look at it, A bad day hunting with a bad gun, is better than a good day at work!!!  O0
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 08, 2009, 08:00:55 AM
I was perfectly happy hunting with .22 rifles until the .17 came onto the market and I had the opportunity to shoot one.

It sold me on the big plus factors as soon as I put a few downrange. That itsybitsy group 100 yards away was just what every squirrel hunter could desire. We were shooting my son's M77 off his back deck, premium dad and son time.  O0

Son Casey, youngest of three sons, has always been a gun owner since a very young age. He and his family know their firearms and shooting, beginning at very young ages.

I will be happy when the firearm industry gets the semi auto HMR problems straightened out and get some decent priced rifles on the market.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Nick_T on November 09, 2009, 02:37:11 PM
I put a gray DRT at 108yds with my old Mod 60 Saturday morning  :twisted: , so I'll 86 the HMR for now  O0 . I got prone, had a good rest on a pecan tree root, and waited 'til he stood on his hind legs, put the cross hairs just over his ears and smacked him through the shoulders. My boy was sitting beside me, he just started laughing and said "I ain't believin that crap!"  ;D

Nick T
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 09, 2009, 03:03:33 PM
I put a gray DRT at 108yds with my old Mod 60 Saturday morning  :twisted: , so I'll 86 the HMR for now  O0 . I got prone, had a good rest on a pecan tree root, and waited 'til he stood on his hind legs, put the cross hairs just over his ears and smacked him through the shoulders. My boy was sitting beside me, he just started laughing and said "I ain't believin that crap!"  ;D

Nick T


 :roll: :roll: (http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/Topes.gif)   :roll: :roll:


 ;D ;D ;D

See, the difference would have been, you put the crosshairs between the ears with an HMR, and you hit between the ears. O0
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Nick_T on November 09, 2009, 03:52:38 PM
:roll: :roll: ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/Topes.gif[/url])   :roll: :roll:


 ;D ;D ;D

See, the difference would have been, you put the crosshairs between the ears with an HMR, and you hit between the ears. O0


 ;D

Hey, I'll admit it was about 70/30 skill to luck. But it sure felt good to see his smacked down with that little .22.

 O0

Nick T

Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 09, 2009, 04:53:23 PM
;D

Hey, I'll admit it was about 70/30 skill to luck. But it sure felt good to see his smacked down with that little .22.

 O0

Nick T



I think you either have those numbers or words reversed.  :roll:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Nick_T on November 09, 2009, 08:27:09 PM
I think you either have those numbers or words reversed.  :roll:

Can't I atleast have my moment of self induced greatness without anyone trying to ruin it?

 ;D

Nick T
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: MOSPARKY on November 10, 2009, 12:20:21 AM
MAYBE when BC goes on vacation. The rest of us just aren't usually quick enough to seize the opportunity like he does.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 10, 2009, 08:57:01 AM
I believe ya, Nick!  O0 My longest squirrel kill shot was with a Model 60 shooting a Stinger. It was a smart old buck fox squirrel that had a den in a half dead big oak tree.

We could never get within decent range of the rascal because of a huge patch of briars below the tree.  The big old cuss had a great view from the tree and would dart down the limb into his hole.  :tickedoff :knuppel2 We tried for years to nail him, to no avail, until I took the long shot as he sunned on his favorite limb.

My brothers were with me and witnessed the shot. They were astounded as I when the squirrel dropped. The Stinger drilled him clean through his head.  :buck2 A lot of luck and Kentucky windage brought the rascal down.

When we got to the briar patch, it took me a good 15 minutes or better of stomping and bulling my way through the patch to recover the drilled varmint.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 10, 2009, 09:08:41 AM
I believe ya, Nick!  O0 My longest squirrel kill shot was with a Model 60 shooting a Stinger. It was a smart old buck fox squirrel that had a den in a half dead big oak tree.

We could never get within decent range of the rascal because of a huge patch of briars below the tree.  The big old cuss had a great view from the tree and would dart down the limb into his hole.  :tickedoff :knuppel2 We tried for years to nail him, to no avail, until I took the long shot as he sunned on his favorite limb.

My brothers were with me and witnessed the shot. They were astounded as I when the squirrel dropped. The Stinger drilled him clean through his head.  :buck2 A lot of luck and Kentucky windage brought the rascal down.

When we got to the briar patch, it took me a good 15 minutes or better of stomping and bulling my way through the patch to recover the drilled varmint.


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MAYBE when BC goes on vacation. The rest of us just aren't usually quick enough to seize the opportunity like he does.


Vacation?  ???  What's that?  ???  ???  ???
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 10, 2009, 09:22:50 AM
:idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url])   :idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url])   :idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url])   :idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url])   :idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url])   :idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url])   :idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url])



Vacation?  ???  What's that?  ???  ???  ???
  :shock: :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 ;D Vacation? Your GRAVY JOB is a vacation!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 10, 2009, 09:48:04 AM
Vacation? Your GRAVY JOB is a vacation!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


You got NO ROOM to talk about a gravy job there old man. :roll: ;D

By the way, the  :idiot2  (http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif) = Crazy Old Man.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Pretty much says it all. O0 ;D
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 10, 2009, 10:06:35 AM
You got NO ROOM to talk about a gravy job there old man. :roll: ;D

By the way, the  :idiot2  ([url]http://bogley.com/forum/images/smiles/gerg.gif[/url]) = Crazy Old Man.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Pretty much says it all. O0 ;D
  :shock: :tickedoff :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 ;D I do admit, some days are pretty laid back and easy, but the hard/bad ones make up for it.

They recently installed a beautiful $100,000 polished stone mounument at work, dedicated to the people killed on the job at my workplace. The mounument list of names is pretty long and sits close to HQ.

One defect of the stone mounument is the names carved into the stone can't be read with it rains and the carvings gets wet.  :sad:  ???
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: jonnythehunter1 on November 10, 2009, 03:42:17 PM
  :shock: :tickedoff :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 ;D I do admit, some days are pretty laid back and easy, but the hard/bad ones make up for it.

They recently installed a beautiful $100,000 polished stone mounument at work, dedicated to the people killed on the job at my workplace. The mounument list of names is pretty long and sits close to HQ.

One defect of the stone mounument is the names carved into the stone can't be read with it rains and the carvings gets wet.  :sad:  ???
what do you work as, john rambo? (sarcasm) but really what do you work as?
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: ray40cal on November 10, 2009, 09:18:13 PM
He rides around a large petting zoo anihalating anything in his path
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 11, 2009, 09:53:20 AM
He rides around a large petting zoo anihalating anything in his path
  ;D :twisted: Yes, while armed to the teeth.  :twisted: If I told ya where I am what I do, I couldn't let ya live, jth1.  :wink:  ;D

Actually, I patol a military installation that is a hunter and fisherman's paradise. I play MP and conservation officer while on duty.

It is where they make munitions for the military, a pretty big place.Years ago I used to make all kinds of munitions for the military there, and transferred to my present job because of my experience prior to making big boom things that kills the enemy.

We are pestered by much of the wildlife that plays on the roads, some of which decides to throw themseves in front of our vehicles. The deer rut is on and we have very interesting times on the roads at night.  Last night I had several close calls with deer.
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 11, 2009, 10:45:44 AM
Actually, I patol a military installation that is a hunter and fisherman's paradise. I play MP and conservation officer while on duty.

It is where they make munitions for the military, a pretty big place.Years ago I used to make all kinds of munitions for the military there, and transferred to my present job because of my experience prior to making big boom things that kills the enemy.

We are pestered by much of the wildlife that plays on the roads, some of which decides to throw themseves in front of our vehicles. The deer rut is on and we have very interesting times on the roads at night.  Last night I had several close calls with deer.



Basically, John just took 3 paragraphs to explain what Ray summed up in 1 sentence......


He rides around a large petting zoo anihalating anything in his path
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 11, 2009, 02:59:28 PM
Very good, rascals!  :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2 ;D It does have a ring of truth in it, though.  :wink: :roll: ;D Some, I do not brake for, such as coyotes. In fact, I floor the gas pedal.  :twisted: :buck2 I got 2 last month.

A few years ago I hit a turkey, one of several I could not avoid. When I informed my crusty old Captain, his reply was, "You SOB, you drive around with your mouth watering"!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: bohicajuan on November 11, 2009, 07:55:03 PM
OK, let me see if I got this right?

I can take the action of my .50bmg and put it on my .17, but I can't take my .22 short and put it's action on my gas grill, while I'm watching Oprah and singing "Ina Goda Davida" backwards and in Mandarin Chinese?

BUT, I can take my goldfish bowl and hook it up to my model 94 and turn it into a fully automatic Vulcan as long I'm shooting .22mags and it's Tuesday and between the hours of 6 ansd 11pm eastern standard time and the wind is blowing from the southeast no more than 6 knots an hour?

Am I right so far?

All this fighting and fussing has gotten me confused, scared, and I can't stop singing "YMCA"

I'm having a crisis here!!!!!!


Somebody hold me!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 11, 2009, 08:32:18 PM
We'll give Dark Angel a call for you.  ;D
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 12, 2009, 09:10:28 AM
We'll give Dark Angel a call for you.  ;D
Yeah, she will set ya straight!  ;D She might use her brass knuckles on you if you want a hug, though.  :shock:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: bohicajuan on November 12, 2009, 05:06:27 PM
No joke.

Monday had to go inspect a head shop here. Rumor's were they were selling more than tobacco.

No evidence for drug's but, the place double's as an occult/new age store where the girl's wore all black and looked like they'd taken a bath in baking flower, them's some serious pale women!!

One of the girl's name tag said.....

I swear!!!

Dark Angel!!!

BC might hit that, but I'd rather never have sex again than jump in bed with something that gross!!

She was so fat, she had her own zip code!!

She was so fat, the last time she went to the beach, Green Peace tried to push her back into the ocean.

She was so fat the last time she got on a bathroom scale, It screamed! "Get Off Me!!"
 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: Big58cal on November 12, 2009, 05:20:09 PM
We'll send her to nOnAmE. O0  2 to 1 says he'd tap it. :shock:
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: MOSPARKY on November 13, 2009, 12:32:23 AM
I ain't gonna take that bet  ;D
Title: Re: Safety Advisory for .17 HMR Semi-Autos
Post by: John Andrews on November 13, 2009, 07:51:44 AM
Fatter than a blind date, huh?