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Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: John Andrews on December 17, 2003, 02:52:53 AM
Around the area here it is getting harder every year to find places to hunt.  Maybe because less and less of the landowners of today hunt? I live in a pretty much rural area, and  not too many years ago, 90% of folks would allow hunting by permission. Now, many of the areas are absolutely closed to all hunting. This is not attributed to property damage or trouble with hunters, Just," NO"! The 19,000+ acre government installation where I work allowed rifle hunting for 1 year. Then, 9/11 happened, and the entire area was closed to hunting for over a whole hunting season. Now, no rifles, even rimfire. BUT, blackpowder for deer season is fine. That's good, but still no for any other rifle hunting.  Absolutely no one hunts squirrel on the installation, so you can imagine the population of squirrels. The one year they did allow rimfire hunting for small game at the area. it was obvious the squirrels had never been shot at. You could fill your bag limit of 6 in an hour ore two, easily. Bigcal58, you would have thought you was in heaven!  No respite in the future, according to our CO, an Army Lt. Col. Anyhow, I am wondering if you folks are having a harder time getting in to hunt on private land?
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: Gutpiles on December 17, 2003, 12:53:53 PM
It's pretty much the same around here.  When I was a kid, you didn't have to worry about it - hardly anything was posted and as long as you took care of the property you were on - no problems.  Now the local spots are few and far between.   Much of our land has been bought by out of state retirees and they immediately post the area.   That trend started when I was a teenager.  My friend and I were on a river that we had fished all of our lives.  We made the mistake of coming out on the bank to avoid some deep water and the land owner saw us.   Her house was about 60yds from where we were and she opened the door and sent her dog after us.    The dog turned out to be more scared of us than we were of it, which ticked her off even more.   So much for a peaceful day fishing, huh?   :?
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: Big58cal on December 18, 2003, 06:32:41 AM
Hey John, what you should do is get you a .32 cal muzzleloader for those squirrels!  Just because no rimfires are allowed, doesn't mean that you can't still blast some of those fuzzy little rodents! :lol:
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: John Andrews on December 19, 2003, 02:32:19 PM
Cal, I think the Col. means no hunting with any type of rifle, except for blackpowder deer hunting, unfortunately. You are right about the blackpowder rifle hunting for squirrels being fun, though! Beleive it or not, I used a borrowed .58 reproduction Springfield Zouve for squirrel hunting one year. I was using 500 gr. maxiballs, black powder, and Crisco for lube. Head shot 'em, and had no problem getting my limit. The big slug would blow the squirrels almost to the tree tops when shooting up into a tree. I used it for the whole season, and it was a riot. The rifle had great open sights, worked great, but the last couple of loadings were difficult to load. The maxi ball was a chore to get down the barrel. and the rifle cleaning afterwards was a job, too! Crisco wasn't a good lube, trust me!
Title: Hunting Club
Post by: Ks_Sniper on February 08, 2004, 08:52:47 PM
Out here there's a hunting club with access to thousands of acres in both Kansas and Missouri that it's members can use freely. It costs $600 to get a membership so I haven't joined yet, but soon. Otherwise, out here it's who you know and who they know.
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: Varmint Al on February 16, 2004, 11:09:14 PM
I have found that the best way to gain hunting access is to hunt coyotes. Most ranchers have had problems with coyotes killing their livestock and will be interested in your help. After you help the rancher with a few coyotes, then you can mention about helping to control the other varmints like ground squirrels or prairie dogs. Besides, hunting coyotes is a lot of fun in its own right.
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: John Andrews on February 18, 2004, 10:46:46 AM
Varmint Al is right on the money. I have a brother living in Bakersfield, CA, and he does exactly that. He has a couple of ranches that he hunts on and keeps the varmint population in check. He sees cougers on occasions, but, no can shoot. The ranchers don't like the cats near their stock, but you know the CA sheeple laws. He has a great relationship with the ranchers, and also does free electrical work for them as a thankyou for the hunting rights. The ranches he hunts are also almost overrun with wild hogs, which ol' Charlie hunts, too. He has spent many days with his children on the varmint range, which,as we know, is priceless. :)
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: squirrelslayer on February 18, 2004, 04:35:32 PM
im pretty lucky in missouri i got my aunts 300 acers my uncles 400 acers near mark twain lake and a friend with 1,000 acers
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: John Andrews on February 20, 2004, 06:35:07 PM
Squirrelslayer, you are in squirrel heaven! I am sure glad you have all that great hunting area. Show no mercy, even if the hairy rascal nut chewin' little stinkers beg!
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: Big58cal on February 20, 2004, 08:13:16 PM
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Show no mercy, even if the hairy rascal nut chewin' little stinkers beg!


LOL :twisted: Couldn't have said it better myself!

In the past, I've cut tobacco and housed it, housed hay, mended fences, set posts, etc. to gain hunting priveleges.  You've got to consider, there isn't a whole lot of money in farming anymore.  Anything that these people can do to help make money is worth gold to them!  They don't even really have to "make" money.  If they "save" money on one aspect, they they are "making" money.

One of the best pieces of ground that I had to hunt, me and two other guys cut and housed the landowner's tobacco in exchange for the hunting rights.  For 3 guys in college, it almost killed us (well, the other two "city" guys more than me), but a little bit of beer and Bengay, we weren't feeling any pain!  The landowners told me that they made more off their tobacco that year than they had EVER made!

Now, with the guy that I hunt on, he and my mother are engaged (they're never going to get married.....don't ask).  I help out at his place as much I can throughout the year.  Any heavy or prolonged work, I do.  He helps my mother out when I'm not there, and I do what I can on the weekends.  It benefits everyone.

Just remember, you don't always have to have a lot of money to get a prime piece of land to hunt.  Sometimes it just take a little sweat and labor!
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: John Andrews on February 21, 2004, 12:57:19 PM
You have an excellent point there,BC! You really earn your hunting grounds. When I got married, I was farming and raising cattle. I never had anyone offer to help in trade of hunting rights. Years ago, I was hunting a timber on top a bluff that was pasture for cattle, also. I found a calf with pinkeye and no cow around. The calf looked blind, so I picked it up and carried it to the landowner's house. Well, I ended up with lifetime hunting rights! I didn't do it for a reward, it was just the right thing to do at the time. I checked back with the owner about the calf, and the calf recovered its sight. Another day or two, the calf would have been blind if I had left it in the timber.  It is my favorite squirrel timber, too.
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: catfishsr on February 24, 2004, 07:20:22 PM
john

 i am :D  luckey than most because of all the land that is owned in my faimly,but i still hunt for work done . there are 4 real large ranches that let me hunt hogs,  any time i want  they dont have to pay any one so it saves them money.because i am usaley way out in the back i ckeck the condition of all there fences if i find wire down i fix it ,then i let them know what needs repaie . we all benifit from this they also let me deer and turkey hunt . the ranch hands always let me know where they see any pigs because they know i will shoot them a few extras (never a problem he he) :D i also fix some of there equipment for free . :D
as for squirlles they are evrey ware,you big58 squirrleslayer would be in heaven ,you could shoot a brick of .22 in there a day and not make a dent :lol:  =P~
Title: no need for permission
Post by: squirrel eliminating kid on March 17, 2004, 04:00:59 PM
If you cant get permission then you could always do a in and out job without gettin caught
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: Gutpiles on March 17, 2004, 06:49:56 PM
Squirrel Eliminator - you need to remember that is exactly why so many of the land owners have a problem with hunters.  Take the time and do it right and it's better for all involved.   :wink:
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: squirrel eliminating kid on March 17, 2004, 07:23:22 PM
:? It was just a suggestion, I never said it was the right thing to do just that it was one way of doin it!![/quote]
Title: wrong thinking
Post by: catfishsr on March 17, 2004, 07:39:54 PM
squirle kid
that kind of thinking is not good at all! i have property that has alot of game squrrles/rabbits and lot of hogs ,i let some of the kids hunt on it BUT ONLY WITH MY PERMISSION. if i find them or some one there with out my permission i let them explain them selfs to the law !(or my boot)
that said if you try to get to know the land owner and help him time to time you propley can get his ok . that is the only way to go !!!!!
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: firekidd on March 17, 2004, 08:25:52 PM
I have to agree, when I do my fishing, I only go on  public land or private that I have permision for... Around here farmers are very close, and they all talk to each other, so if one catches you and passes the work that john smith was fishing/hunting without permission, than even if you ask another farmer, if they remember your name than they won't give you permission at all.

remember one bad deed is remembered longer by more people than 10 good deeds!!!
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: Big58cal on March 17, 2004, 09:34:10 PM
Unless you have permission, you are nothing more than a common trespasser and/or poacher.  I have no sympothy for anyone that is on someone's land without permission.  Anyone that I find on our land without permission gets "escorted" out very promptly, but not without a severe "tonge-lashing" from me.  God Forbid if I find them on our land a second time!

I've got no problem with someone asking permission.  Even though we don't grant permission to anyone (the land gets enough pressure from us).  As they say, "It's the thought that counts".  God forbid anyone that doesn't have permission!
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: John Andrews on March 19, 2004, 02:21:25 PM
Most folks are pretty good about letting folks hunt or fish on their places, or have good reason not to grant permission. Across the river in Illinois, the laws are really clear and stiff, but strangely, it sure doesn't seem to deter tresspassing. The best thing to do is prosecute tresspassers. We arrest several every year, and have been making examples of some of them. The local judges are pretty easy going with them, in most cases. The installation I work at is extra sensitive after 9/11, so poachers and tresspassers are puting themselves at bodily risk, especially after dark. They could have a weapon trained on them before they even hear"HALT"! But, no matter the risks and fines involved, there is still a certain amount of people that just have to take the leap. We caught one of my neighbors tresspassing, and fined him heavily. Now, the clown doesn't speak to me. Big loss, huh? Mushroom season will be here pretty soon, so that means I will be carrying more sets of handcuffs, is how it translates.
Title: Problems getting permission to hunt?
Post by: adam on June 11, 2004, 04:00:30 PM
Liability!
Too many farmers are afraid you'll fall and break your ankle and sue them for everything they have! :x We need some laws to limit lawsuits and protect landowners.
Bluegrass Army depot also closed hunting after 9-11,but it's open under strict regs.Personally it's too much of a hassle to get in for me to apply.
Title: hunting others land
Post by: john on September 15, 2004, 08:32:28 PM
its an old saw but you reaklly have to get out during the off season and meet the landowners. surprising how a weekend of setting fences can turn into hunting privlages