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Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on December 20, 2003, 11:44:41 AM
About 3 months ago I got my first squirrel dog. She is now about 4 1/2 months old, 1/2 Bassett and 1/2 small red bloodhound. She looks like a Bassett and is fast for a short legged dog. And she is already working good with some squirrel hides. Squirrel dogs in this area is pretty much unknown. The first squirrel dog I had ever seen was almost 50 years ago. The dog followed us to the timber from a the farmhouse where we got permission to hunt. We thought that was the end of our chances of gettting some squirrels. Wrong! That little dog was a miracle on 4 legs. He treed and treed squirrels and we had a great day. A fellow a few miles north of here raises them, but I do not do business with him. Not for his honesty or his dogs, just a personal difference. My dog seems to use her eyes first, then her nose if she can't quickly find the hide. This seems to be an asset for hunting squirrels, I should think. I have been trailing the hide and then hiding it for training. She is quick to find it, checking every previous place I have hidden the hide in the past, then putting her nose to the ground to locate the "squirrel". I am wondering if any of you fellow hunters can offer some training advice here, seeing as how I am new to owning and training a squirrel dog.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: Big58cal on December 22, 2003, 07:59:12 PM
I had heard that the little feist dogs were about the best for squirrels.  I've never trained or owned a squirrel dog.  I've wanted to, but don't have the time or place to mess with one.  Living in the city puts a damper on things like that.  We've got a chow and a pomeranian now.  About all they're good for is barking at the mail man and the neighborhood kids!  Gotta' admit though, that black chow seems to command a lot of respect!  Even though she's a big cream puff!

Wish I could help you, but I can't.  The only thing I know to tell you is do a search on the internet for squirrel dogs/trailing dogs.  You may be able to come up with some information there.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on December 24, 2003, 02:53:53 AM
Thanks, Bigcal58! i will give it a try.
Title: Small Game Dogs
Post by: Haven Rats on January 17, 2004, 12:29:22 AM
:D
You, being from Iowa, haven't heard of one of the greatest small game dogs in Iowa, and Missouri and to all that own a great running squirrel dog. You might try to look up some Feists, as mentioned earlier, as well as Rat Terriers. We currently raise them, and have a guy who has so kindly offered to maybe undertake hunting with a couple to let their instincts work for them.

Bobbie
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: april on January 17, 2004, 03:29:59 PM
I bet that part blood hound in her will make for a good squirrel dog.... sorry, but I haven't used a dog for squirrel, so besides doin a search, I don't know what to tell ya. But, if'n ya want to know about beaglin....I'm your gal...lol.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on January 17, 2004, 08:52:13 PM
Thanks, folks! Yep, she has a real nose! One of my sons has a rat terrier, a female. He is going to give me a pup when he has her bred. He says his terrier is a treeing you-know-what! Can't you just see that bassett/red hound and the little terrier hot on a squirrel? It will probably look like a clown show, but who cares, if they work good! Off season, they can work for the circus! :lol:
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: squirrel eliminating kid on March 17, 2004, 04:16:31 PM
I am fixin to get a squirrel dog even though I kill plenty of squirrels without one
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on March 19, 2004, 02:33:09 PM
SEK, I bet you do! A good dog just makes it easier and more fun! My dog looks like one of those clown dogs, longer than she is tall, but she even retreives! Her ears drag the ground and she has a real hound voice, which is pure music. Good natured, good company,but talks back. I don't always know what she is trying to say, but she is a real vocal pup. Right now, she is arguing with my wife. Two females arguing, no win situation! One hunt with a good squirrel dog, and you are hooked, even if the hairy little rascal argues with you!
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: firekidd on March 19, 2004, 03:33:23 PM
John sounds like fun.... I plan on building a house, and getting a pup soon, (landlord won't let me have pets.)  No idea what kind yet...

let us know how the Bushy-tail-tracker is doing.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on March 22, 2004, 10:00:11 AM
Thanks,Firekidd. It looks like you are going in the right direction. I will let you know how the little rascal works out. So far, so good, anyhow. She seems to have all it takes, and is smart, too. You are considering a smaller dog, perhaps? Small breeds work well, and I prefer a female dog for hunting. One suggestion I have, keep her from running rabbits. Most dogs are either a squirrel dog OR a rabbit dog, unless they are exceptional enough to stay with verbal orders as what you are intending on hunting. Not likely with 99.99% of dogs, so stay with one quarry.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: firekidd on March 22, 2004, 02:03:44 PM
okay, I'll keep the dog on  one game... guess that means that I'll have to get two dogs....  I'm thinking of a jack russel terrier, they're smart and I've heard that they make good squirrel dogs...  my girlfriend wants a daschund... they are good dogs, but I don't know if it would be much of a squirrel dog, weren't they bred for hunting badgers or something like that???

Oh well, she'd probably leave me if I took her dog hunting  and brought it back all muddy, cut up and full of briars...
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on March 22, 2004, 07:15:29 PM
Firekidd, yep, she probably would! She would want to put ribbons on the dog,  paint its nails, etc. Squirrels would laugh you out of the timber. My wife did that to MY dog! Evil sense of humor! :twisted:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :!:
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: firekidd on March 22, 2004, 07:24:09 PM
ouch!! that's bad.. sabotage from within!!!!

no, my girlfriend wouldn't paint it's toenails... bows maybe... but those can be "lost" very easily...

what are some good squirrel dogs???  I know of terriers, feists, and small mutts (depending)  any other ideas???
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on March 22, 2004, 11:49:09 PM
Firekidd, just about all the small dogs(big ones work good, too). Just easier to work a small dog. My pup, a mix Bassett/small red bloodhound, is probably 40 pounds now, and about 6 mo. old. She has short legs, but pretty fast! Plenty fast enough for a squirrel dog, and she has the heart for it, too. She is going to be READY opening day! :!:  :)
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: firekidd on March 25, 2004, 11:15:36 PM
Well good luck...

I'll probably just wait until a dog finds me.... I don't know why, but whenever I can have a dog, one seems to show up on my doorstep, or a friend finds one that needs a home... ect.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on August 06, 2004, 12:43:02 PM
Firekidd, that's a good outlook on dogs. That's how we got our dog, from a no kill animal shelter info. Some folks had a bunch of dogs and pups that the county officials were going to impound. It was a two hour drive there, but well worth it. When we walked toward the doghouse and pups, one of them made a bee line right to us while the rest of the pups milled around their mother. Yep. we knew which one we wanted. Kinda like you are saying, the dog chose us. :D
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: Big58cal on August 06, 2004, 06:02:44 PM
How are your dogs doing (John and Firekidd)?  Your dog hasn't become too much of a lap-dog has she John?  The last time we saw your dog Firekidd, she was smiling for the camera and looking like she was getting spoiled!
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: firekidd on August 06, 2004, 10:23:03 PM
Well the pup is very spoiled....  she has a blast out in the woods, but she hasn't really picked up on the trailing by scent...  
she will chase anything that she can see, but once she has to use her nose, she gets lost......

but she is a great companion, and good company for walks!!!
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on August 07, 2004, 10:38:26 AM
BC, pup has not been in the woods for hunting yet, season not open until Sept. 1. She works good here at home, but wants to run coon, realy bad. We live on top the river bluff, so we have lots of coon and everything else, including coyotes and deer, in the yard. I don't even leave her in the yard at night unless I am close at hand. 'Yotes here have an appetite for dogs. Wife tries to spoil her, as you figured correctly. Dog has her fooled, dog's first interest is HUNTIN'! Whenever I leave the house with a gun, or come home with my guncase, pup goes crazy! She wants outside, expecting some headless squirrels  to be laying on the deck. I always fed her a few scraps of fresh squirrel when I dressed them last season, so this gets her razzed up, too. She has manners, and only takes what I toss her to eat. It's an Indian thing, folks, the dog sharing the kill. :)
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: ellwoodjake on August 07, 2004, 08:38:53 PM
It's not just an Indian thing John. I do the same thing with my beagles. After every hunt when I put them in the pen, they stand at the ready looking back at the house and whimpering in anticipation. They know it's only a matter of time before I give them their "reward." This makes them run even harder the next time out. It's almost like they want that rabbit so bad they can "taste" it. The only drawback is, when you shoot one in front of them, you better get to it before they do.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: Big58cal on August 09, 2004, 09:32:03 AM
You guys are lucky to have dogs that you can do that with.  With our two, the last time I pitched them some scraps from a squirrel, they looked at it and then at me like, "What am I supposed to do with this?" 8)
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on August 16, 2004, 07:36:40 AM
Heh heh heh, BC, your wife didn't force you to get poodles, did she? Sometimes wives do that. My wife just got another pup, a male Bassett, 6 weeks old. I dunno how he's gonna work out, but I told my wife, for what she paid for the pup, he's gonna have to work for his feed, some day!
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: ellwoodjake on August 16, 2004, 08:47:09 AM
A basset huh? You may have the makin's of a fine bunny hound there John. A buddy of mine used to hunt one. He had a hard time keeping up with the beagles when they were running good, but when the trail got cold or the rabbit tried to pull a fast one, he was hard to shake. He could also bring one back all by himself, if you didn't mind waiting just a little longer. This fellow definately earned his feed.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: Big58cal on August 17, 2004, 12:32:29 AM
Close on one.  We've got a Pomeranian and a Chow.  They're both really good dogs, but they're definitly "city" dogs.  Bassets are supposed to be really good hunting dogs.  Start training it with some beagles to see if it will run.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: John Andrews on August 18, 2004, 10:33:33 AM
BC, we bought a 6 weeks old male full blood Bassett last weekend. Hopefully, he will be another squirrel dog. It's my wife's birthday present. Next year, I ought to get her a new rifle or fishing pole? Yeah, I know, I spoil her!  It's not my fault she does not hunt, or care to fish, ya know what I mean?  :wink:
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: Big58cal on August 18, 2004, 08:04:42 PM
I think a nice rifle would make a heck of a present for your wife! :wink:   I'd try it on mine, but I'd probably get shot with the gun if I did!!! :shock:
Title: Squirrel Dogs
Post by: MountainMan on August 19, 2004, 11:49:36 PM
Hello good people just wanted to say you should check into the curs as well for for squirrel dogs. They have been bred for years and years to tree squirrels and come in all shapes and sizes. I have a few that are actually about the size of fiest but a heart as big as Texas. They also make great house pets as a double. Good luck with your choice, fiest or cur or poodle or whatever you decide to use.

Hunt What you like, Like what you hunt.  :)
Title: dogs
Post by: gottahunt on August 21, 2004, 01:04:34 AM
ya i wasnt really thinkin about hunting with my new pup but i figured i might get some fun out of all the stuff hes put me through the past few weeks... hes a lil beagle what do ya ya think squirrels :shock:  or rabbits :shock:  :?:
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: ellwoodjake on August 22, 2004, 03:39:10 PM
:idea: What about cats. They are plentiful, run well, tree well and fight from time to time. Best of all- the season never closes :D
Title: Small Game dogs
Post by: hjames000 on September 17, 2004, 01:35:02 PM
A falconer in Texas named Brewer has written a book about hunting squirrels with Jack Russel terriers.

I have used minature wire haired dachshunds with real good results
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: Maple treerat on November 01, 2004, 05:53:50 PM
Any favorite links to some Feist or cur dog sights.    
If someone has some info on the german Jagd Terrier i would REALLY like one of those dogs.
Title: Who Uses Small Game Dogs?
Post by: APRock on November 02, 2004, 03:57:30 AM
Good question.  I have done a LOT of it.  I am excluding bird hunting of course.

First experience was in Virginia.  My Uncle had a farm outside of Roanoke near Burnt Chimney.  Great dove shooting there, but I digress - he had this Airdale/mutt.  We'd go out to his timber.  find a squirrel and that dog would get this squirrel to baring at him from up in the tree.  We'd slowly work our way up. uncle would say "Bring'm to me" and that dog would run to the other side of that tree and yap like there was no tomorrow.  Squirrel would scoot around to get his body away from the dog but peek his head around to keep an eye on him. Meaning that rat was fully exposed to us. HMMM - another rat for the crock pot.

I have hunted rabbits with a pack (5) of beagles a couple of times.  THAT is an absolute HOOT!!!  If you get a chance - DO IT!  You will not regret it.  There's nothing like it.  I ain't got room for a pack or I 'd have some.

My current dog has been bred for centuries to hunt fur and feather, land or water (Small Munsterlander).  Great on pheasant and other upland birds, and fantastic on rabbits.  If it is running, and especially if it is bleeding, he WILL find it.  No matter what it is.  He's OK on squirrels as far as retrieving goes, he knows they're around there somewhere and usually sees them when they fall after I shoot them.  Howevwer, even though he will look in the air after flying birds, a squirrel going to tree confuses the s*it out of him.

It's been my experience that Fiest Hounds - Squirrel Dogs - while they will use thier nose to find them, are primarily SIGHT hounds.  They look for the squirrels, chase it and tree it, then use the nose to find it if it gets into cover after you shoot it.  Beagles are both.  they use the nose to find a trail then when game (rabbits usually) runs they try to sight it more than scent it when on the chase.