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Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Big58cal on August 28, 2003, 06:22:28 AM
I wanted to get you guys opinions on this.  Should crossbows be legal during the entire length of a state's regular archery season?  I know some states already allow it.  If so, how do you feel about it if you are in one of these states?

They are already allowed during this time period for disabled hunters.  I'm talking about for the general public though.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: DeathFromAbove on August 28, 2003, 11:54:21 AM
Although the crossbow is definitely an advantage, I don't think it would have any negative effect on traditional bow hunters' season.  If they are allowed,  I can't think of a reason not to run the full time.  How about some others?  What'cha think?
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Cracker11 on August 31, 2003, 11:10:14 PM
I`m all for giving the Handicaped anything they need to get out there and Hunt :D and I would have no problem giving them the first week of the Season{before all the Foot Traffic starts} to help them get thier`s.

  I oppose their use during Archery Season only from Greed, easyer to use means more people in the Woods,it`s hard enough getting Archery Close to these Critter`s,with out the added Foot-Traffic,thats why Archery Season is before Open-Season!

 I only see Two Advantages:

#1. Little to no Movement needed to take a Shot.

#2. The Obveous.....Locked into a Full Draw Position........Big Advantage!!!!!  Just a Stick shooting Gun to me. :twisted:
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: DeathFromAbove on September 01, 2003, 08:52:40 PM
Quote from: Cracker11
Just a Stick shooting Gun to me. :twisted:


This is very true Grasshoppa..... I like that.... stick shooting gun.   :D
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: ck on September 10, 2003, 04:27:01 PM
This is going to get ugly.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Cracker11 on September 12, 2003, 08:32:13 AM
:twisted:  Why is that CK,are you a Cross-Bow user? I have no problem with the use of them,just during Bow Season. :twisted:
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: ck on September 12, 2003, 02:06:34 PM
Cracker11

  I just looked at the hoosierhunting board. They are raising holy he11 about xbows.  I don't think it should be the whole bow season, maybe a week or two.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Cracker11 on September 12, 2003, 04:22:09 PM
:twisted: Public Land`s around here is realy crowed ,and Bow-Season is the only time I can Hunt without seeing another hunter,makes my job alot easyer,and I feel if they allow Cross-Bow`s in,the number of new hunter`s would Skyrocket.  I would have no problem`s with the last week or two of Bow-Season opened up to Cross-Bow`s :twisted:
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Big58cal on September 13, 2003, 11:31:02 PM
My only question is why wouldn't you want the number of hunters to skyrocket?  Especially if it gets kids and old folks in the woods.  Yes, the number of hunters overall would increase, but so would participation among groups that can't shoot a regular bow (i.e. kids and old people).

Does anyone have any idea how many single parent families are out there?  Especially where the mother is raising the kids.  More males are involved in hunting than females.  If grandpaw hunts, but can't pull a regular bow anymore, he can't take little Billy (his grandson) hunting until the gun season.

I don't have a crossbow, I don't intend on getting one, and KY has a seperate crossbow season (not allowed during the regular archery season).  I hunt with a bow, muzzleloader, pistol, shotgun, and rifle.  The only reason the I would like to see the crossbow legal during the entire archery season is to increase participation, particularly among the youth.

KIDS ARE THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  We've got to get them involved if we want it to continue.

Last year, my nephew (12 years old) got to go deer hunting for the first time.  His mother and my brother are divorced.  At the time, he had been living with his mother in Maryland, with his dad living in California (both are in the Navy).  The only exposure he got to hunting was the few times that my brother got to take him squirrel hunting.  I've imposed a QDM restriction on the property I hunt, with the deer having to have a rack outside the ears before they're "legal".  The morning that my brother was going to take his boy deer hunting for the first time, I told my brother that it didn't matter what came by.  If Alex wanted to shoot it, then he was to let him shoot it.  I was about 1/2 mile away when I heard the first shot.  A little later, I heard another shot, followed by another that was a different sound.  Once I got down to the cabin, I found out that Alex had gotten a 4 pt, and had spine shot it the first time.  The second shot he tried to finish it off, but missed.  The third shot was my brother finishing it off.  I asked Alex, "What happened Alex?  You were hitting good with that rifle."  His reply was, "Uncle Mark, I was shaking too bad!"  Now the boy's hooked for life!!!!!!!!!  This is what hunting is about!  If this same scenario had happened with a crossbow and grandpaw............  You get my point.

I've got a 21 month old now.  I'll probably start taking him in the woods with me next year during squirrel season.  Start'em out young and let them have fun!!!!!

Sorry for being so long-winded, but getting the youth involved is something that I'm very passionate about.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Cracker11 on September 17, 2003, 07:06:56 AM
:twisted: I have no problem with giveing them time in the season to get out there,but I only Hunt  with a Bow,and that give`s me a very short time to get close before the Hord`s of Gun-Hunter`s  over-run the Public Land I hunt, they can even have the week before Bow Season,just for Kid`s and the Handicaped,but I want my time too...Alone!!!! :twisted:
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Jeepkeedy on September 24, 2003, 09:43:33 PM
In Alabama, where I hunt, the archery only season opens 15 oct and runs till 22 Nov.  The limit is 2 deer a day (one antlered) All weapons from 22 Nov to 1 Feb.  Again 2 deer per day.  I have no problem sharing the woods during archery season with x-bow hunters.  The population here can certainly stand it.  The few crossbows I've shot have a terrible trajectory and range estimation becomes more critical.  I honestly believe a modern compound bow is a much more lethal weapon.  That being said, I would love for my father (66 years old with shoulder injury) to be able to hunt with me during archery season.  BTW crossbows are illegal in AL (no exceptions).
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Gutpiles on September 24, 2003, 10:03:56 PM
Jeepkeedy -   At the very least, I think states should make it legal for people in your dad's position.  How close are you to the Georgia line?  They're legal during all of bow season - could be a possibility.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Big58cal on September 26, 2003, 07:23:02 AM
Jeepkeedy, your dad's situation is one of the things I'm talking about.  Hunting should be for all ages and all people.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Cracker11 on September 26, 2003, 08:29:25 AM
:twisted: I agree,but like Gun`s and Bow`s,they should have thier own season,so it doesn`t conflict with other`s. Black-powder gun`s are still gun`s,but they have thier own season.
    I feel it`s just too easy to walk through the wood`s with the Cross-Bow loaded and ready to shoot,if you fall,or brush up against a tree,and it goes off ,could be a problem in crowded area :shock:
   I realy feel for those who have injury`s that keep them from getting in on Bow-Season,and I think each State should do thier part in makeing it possable for those with Handicap`s to get out there and be able to enjoy it like I do.  There is no reason why we can`t have a Handicapted Season to start off the Hunting Season,that way they get a better shot at seeing some Critter`s before us Bow-Hunter`s get in there,plus I think they can do a better job of makeing the Road`s more accessable to those in Wheelchair`s.

  I just don`t think they should lump together Bow`s and Cross-Bow`s just because of the string,they are two differant  Weapon`s,and should be treated as such..............just my 2 cent`s. :twisted:
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: C.N. on November 30, 2003, 11:36:58 AM
Ok first of all I'm one of those handicaped hunters. I have a disease that makes my joints fuse together. Making it imposible to pull a bow. Not all handicaped people are in wheelchairs. I dont own a x-bow YET. But plan to get one by next season.
 Second . Here in Tenn. they are making it leagal to hunt with a x-bow after bow season to anyone. I dont know if thats right or not but I think anytime you can get someone RESPONSABLE in the woods to hunt its a good thing.
 I dont blame you for your opinion though. Thats your right . Thats my 2 cents worth.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: john on September 24, 2004, 04:54:49 PM
i haven't seen the numbers for energy delivered,,,but a cross bow bolt is a fraction of the weight of an arrow. i worry about wounded animals.deflected shots,and lack of penitration threw  bone. i say go for it for the guys with bum elbows though.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Big58cal on September 25, 2004, 05:27:57 PM
Actually, crossbows shoot arrows.  The weight of a crossbow arrow is comperable to aluminum arrows shot through regular bows, not to mention, heavier than carbon arrows.  The reason that the draw weights are higher on crossbows is because of the short power stroke (the length that the string travels releasing the arrow).  A modern bow has a longer power stroke, delivering more energy to the arrow as compared to a crossbow of the same draw weight.

As far a wounding, I would be willing to bet ANYONE that there are more deer wounded with regular bows than there are wounded with crossbows (percentage wise).
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: John Andrews on November 05, 2004, 11:33:03 AM
I have no reservations about allowing Xbows for general bow hunting. Using different firearms for deer hunting is a good example. The kill totals stays pretty much the same year after year, unless the weather is bad. You will still have your bow hunting purists and new hunters that will be able to hunt with a conventional bow. New hunters starting with Xbows will have a large rate of graduating hunters elvoving to regular bows. I think as hunters grow, they hunt for the sake of hunting and enjoy the challenges, not just how much they (we) can kill. States allowing open end hunting with crossbows will save a bit of money for the disabled hunter that has to have a doctor excuse to apply for an Xbow license. As far as disabled hunter accesses, it's pretty much not going to happen. The problem is, monies are not available in most states for additional spending for hunting area improvements. A pheasant hunting politician is going to spend the money for pheasant seeding and stocking, etc. Same way as the duck hunters and deer and turkey hunters.You get the picture. It's kind of a callouse approach to disabled hunters, but the powers to be are not much interested when it comes to helping handicapped sportsmen, unless it is a very well used public area. I patrol on a large Army owned area, and have yet to see a single improvement for a handicapped outdoorsman. Our US Army has owned the place for over 60 years, too.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: john on November 09, 2004, 09:11:38 AM
i guess i've decided it really doesn't matter what the deer is killed with. you still have to do the hunt.your weapon of choise should be one that you feel confident of a quick humane kill.
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Lopalong on November 09, 2004, 11:38:40 AM
Crossbows were made legal in Ga a couple of years ago.  Prior to the passing of the new law, a person who had disabilities hindering them from using a bow, could get a slip from a doctor and be permitted to use a crossbow during archery season.  I haven't heard of any horror stories or read anything showing any ill effects of this legislation being passed.  I personally quit bow hunting several years ago.  Something about fighting mosquitos and trying to remain motionless in 90 degree weather that no longer appeals to me.  :roll: My hat goes off to those who will endure the elements.   :D
Title: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: ellwoodjake on November 11, 2004, 06:35:54 PM
Folks I just came back from a trip where I got my first deer with a xBow. My buddy who hunts with me and practices with me, took his compound. When we are shooting at targets, We get about equal groups at varying distances. I have to believe the ballistics of both to be about the same. The main advantage is that you don't have to stand and draw, which can give you away. I got a good double-lung-pass through and the results were impressive. I got to watch this deer fall. If this deer had been hit with a compound bow with the same broadhead, the results would have been the same. My buddy judged one to be 30 yards, when in fact it was only 20, and shot just a hair over his back. If he had made the same call with my xBow, again, his results would have been the same.
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Squirrelhunter91 on February 13, 2005, 09:21:46 PM
Check this out.... NY is going to have crossbows...

http://www.ussportsmen.org/Billtrack/detail.cfm?id=4538
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Mallard Drake on February 13, 2005, 10:46:44 PM
yes they should be legal thats all i have to say........ wait a minute
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: MOSPARKY on February 14, 2005, 12:26:23 AM
Here in Missouri (or is that Misery),X-bows are legal for anyone during the rifle season and with special permit for those with disabilities with a doctors verification from your personal doctor.BC makes a very valid point,many of our youth simply cannot pull a hunting weight bow and some of the elderly may be in a similar position. I know that Tennessee has a 45# min draw on hunting bows and I beleave that to be a reasonable weight limit.However my #2 daughter is 15 and very petite.At 5 foot nothin and 95 pounds soaking wet with rocks in her pockets.(she has to run around in the shower to get wet)There is no way in he** she's gonna pull a bow at nearly half her body weight.Yeah when you put it in percentages it kinda levels the playing field.Most of my buddies are 230 to 260 pound behemoths and one flexes my 60# bow(all I can pull) crossways at arms length like a rubberband but I'd be willing to bet he'd have a heck of a time with one at 130 pounds.That's the situation my daughter is in.She is dieing to go hunting with me,but her participatation is very limited because of her size.She can hardly steady a shotgun in the 410 catagory and I doubt she could handle the recoil of a 20 ga which is the min. for slug hunting in Missouri even if she could aim it.I would love to teach her to bowhunt,when the woods are'nt as crowded and the deer aren't as spooky,not to mention the nicer weather in the early part of our season,so as to make her time afield comfortable and enjoyable, at least until she's fully hooked.

I'm quite fond of the Barnett Commando X-bow,it is a break action self cocking design that I think she could proably operate without too much trouble.Seem a little odd to shoot like any X-bow the recoil is forward not back to your shoulder.If only the state would allow it for youth and senior hunters.I don't have a problem if the state wants to treat them largely as firearms because of the trigger mech. and the constant full draw,cocked and locked operation but there should be more exceptions to the rule.
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Big58cal on February 14, 2005, 07:16:59 AM
Mosparky, your situation is exactly why I would like to see them legalized during the regular archery season throughout the US.  Too many people that want to get out there just can't for one reason or another.  This would be one way to increase funding for the F&W depts. because of the increase in license sales, would increase the harvest in areas that need it (most states are screaming "Shoot More Does", more hunters in the woods = more deer taken), and would increase participation.  Any time you can get more kids involved, that's a good thing!  If you can get the older people out there also, then I fail to see how that could be wrong!
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: crazysquirrelpoon on February 14, 2005, 07:24:55 AM
k.......just to expand on this question a little bit........how about muzzleloader hunting.  Do you think that the new style muzzleloaders should be allowed.......i'm talking about the disc shooters, and the one piece bullets........do you think it takes away from the traditional muzzleloader season, when people use modern muzzleloaders?  these things are awesome, but it more like shooting a 30-30 than a muzzleloader.
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Squirrelhunter91 on February 14, 2005, 03:32:32 PM
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As far a wounding, I would be willing to bet ANYONE that there are more deer wounded with regular bows than there are wounded with crossbows (percentage wise).

BC, thats only because not many states allow the use of crossbows..... If there are less crossbows in the woods, the less of a chance there is of wounding a deer with a crossbow..
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: MOSPARKY on February 15, 2005, 12:30:59 AM
Surely you don't want to go there. That same logic would apply if there are fewer or no gun hunters out there there will be fewer hunting accidents?

Last thing I need is another politician with that mentality.
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Squirrelhunter91 on February 15, 2005, 06:44:59 AM
Seriously, When was the last time someone was shot with a bow? Yeah, sure it happens, but the distance that you have to get to your target, is alot more different than a 100 yard shot with a rifle. Get real.
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: Big58cal on February 15, 2005, 07:34:28 AM
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As far a wounding, I would be willing to bet ANYONE that there are more deer wounded with regular bows than there are wounded with crossbows (percentage wise).

BC, thats only because not many states allow the use of crossbows..... If there are less crossbows in the woods, the less of a chance there is of wounding a deer with a crossbow..
Squirrelhunter91, you need to slow down, read, and comprehend before talking or typing.  Look at what I posted.  I said PERCENTAGE.  If there are 100 people with regular bows, and they wound 10 deer, that's 10%.  If 10 people with crossbows wound 1 deer, what PERCENTAGE is that?  Again 10%.  Even though there were 9 fewer deer wounded with crossbows in my example, they're both the same percentage.  I'm betting that, based on percentages, there are fewer deer wounded with crossbows than regular bows.

CSP, as far as the inline and disc muzzleloaders being allowed during a "traditional" muzzleloading season, that's like the compound vs. recurve arguement.  If you wanted to get down to it, side hammer percussion guns have an advantage over both flintlocks and matchlocks. :)
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: john on February 15, 2005, 09:04:55 AM
because of the evolution of weapons i feel they should be lumped in with muzzleloaders myself. but at this point i'm so sick of hearing about this on every website i go to i really no longer care.just make a choice and do it so we can talk about more important things,,,,like squirrel recipes
Title: Re: Should Crossbows Be Legal During Archery Season?
Post by: shadow on February 24, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
In NY it's for handicap only. Not to ruffle feathers, but I think that's about as far as it should go. There are plenty of small size compounds out there for kids. I don't think making them legal for all is going to get the young people to take up hunting. It's not the weapon of choice that brings them on board, it's what we teach them as they grow-up.