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Title: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: 12 Ring on February 06, 2006, 12:23:21 PM
I have been out doing a little scouting since the season closed, and I started to think about the different things I look for while scouting to make my next season even better. For instance Rubs , beds,etc. How about some of your secrets for scouting. What do you look for. Help us all out. Maby it will be your tip that helps us get that buck of a life time. Thanks!   Mike
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on February 12, 2006, 10:11:49 PM
I start scouting right after the season closes,after allowing the deer to calm down.This is the time that theres snow on the ground in mich ,this allows me to back track to areas that give deer ample bedding.I continue to scout all throught he winter and spring and into fall. What I look for in the fall is communal rub lines and primary rub lines so that i can get a picture of the way a buck leaves and enters his core area.Im careful not to disturb the bucks core area. but look at places for contact just outside.I will also observe the patterns of does entering crop fields and thier travel routes.also like to observe from a distance if possible and see what trails are used for escape.Along ridges I look for trails that are just below the horizon and not as well defined this is usually the bucks trail.If elevation maps are available i look at these to pick out natural funnels.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on February 13, 2006, 12:22:26 AM
Stoney the sun also rises in the east,the only reason for distance from top to bottom that i can figure has to do with vision,and the way thermal air currents rise.an advantage to being higher up on the ridge is that the veiw of the bottom is better and an escape is just a short run to the top where the deer disapeers from the predators view.also the scent will rise from the bottom along thermal currents as the ground warms allowing the deer an advantage of scent detection.also being just below the ridge the predator can easily miss the movement unless looking straight over the ridge,I have missed bucks this way myself untill it was to late.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on February 13, 2006, 01:24:21 AM
Stony you and I do think alike,when you come across an area where the rubs become many this is the bucks core area. other rubs are used to tell other bucks that hes in the area.I usually do not spend to much time on scrapes because often these are visited at night.and again there are two types of scrapes.but I will set up in the area.Topo maps are great you can see how the deer will use the points where the land will finger down to a point and enter a field or how they can use bottom draws to travel to and from bedding and feeding areas.I always keep in mind what a deer needs to survive ,food water an area of safety.this is info that can be gleemed of a topo map.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on February 13, 2006, 02:14:17 AM
There are lots of times that a bucks area overlaps with another,but there is a dominant buck.This is the reason they fight for the right to breed the does.during the spring and summer its quite common to see bucks together ,but once the season changes and the amount of daylight decreases these bucks start to spar and then fight. Scrapes can be used by several bucks and usually at night. but when you come across an area where many trees are torn up this is ta particular bucks bedroom.(I then stay away from there) and set up just outside and ambush.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: Meat Hunter #737 on March 23, 2006, 07:22:32 AM
Last fall I noticed a 7pointer and an 8 pointer in the same area, while I was turkey hunting;a week before bow season...so I sprayed one scrape down with doe in heat well before the bow season was going to begin but they were starting their " territory"well probably a week later when the bow started I put out the same doe scent before daybreak, and had him charge the scent, well before I could even see him...I gave it a few more days because he sensed my presence that day...and I layed out my doe scent after day light, and I had those two at daybreak scenting it out , needless to say I missed the first, spooked the second, and my buddy nailed both of them, we figure they were probably brothers, but I must have figured out the nuetral area, because they came from diffrent directions. It was a creek bottom, between two knolls, between a field and a swamp...it has taken me years to dicover their true travel route in this area, and as soon as I figured it out...I miss...well between this site and my own experience I should be able to get my first buck with any kind of luck this year...happy hunting...
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: ncbuckhuntr on March 23, 2006, 04:23:27 PM
I was reading this and thought Id jump in I hunt steep mountains in NC and I feel the deer like to travel on the east and south east  slopes because in the winter the sun warms these areas up earliest in the mornings and where I hunt the thermals start rising there first. I have noticed deer parralel the highest long ridges and usually leave there sign on flats below these ridges or in low saddles like you all were talking about.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: Meat Hunter #737 on March 24, 2006, 06:23:44 AM
stoney...I read, understand, and respect what you wrote... the only thing is, what I actually used was a synthetic called x-tc...I actually bought it from the dollar store...it doesnt say if its doe in heat, or what but all I know is it'll bring in bucks if you spray it on scrapes...I'll tell yea, the scariest thing in the world is on a calm morning before daybreak, is to hear a buck come charging after the scent you just put out, and you cant see the damn thing...my scent balms were relativily close so I was hoping he wouldnt kill me before I killed him...but I must have moved just right to where he zig-zagged around me and layed down for a couple hours before I got up, moved around, and jumped him...then I I gave him a couple of days...when I returned to hunt him, is when my buddy got the 2 bucks...
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: Stonycreek Whitetails on March 24, 2006, 07:49:13 AM
stoney...I read, understand, and respect what you wrote... the only thing is, what I actually used was a synthetic called x-tc...I actually bought it from the dollar store...it doesnt say if its doe in heat, or what but all I know is it'll bring in bucks if you spray it on scrapes...

Yep, I understand....   O0  That's why I said your intentions were on the right track and regardless, you in return produced results and thats all that matters. 

What I meant by that was, most hunter will take there favorite scent or lure and dump it on the ground around the area they are hunting. But by you dumping it directly in the scrape, you played the buck at his own game. More times than not, you will see results if you properly place your scents and lures, like you have.

I'm not denying the fact that other products work, but I thought you said that you put out doe scent and that is why I suggested trying a buck scent of your choice for that time of year.  There are tons of good products out there that produce results. The problem I see most hunters running into is not using the product of their choice in the right location to get the best possible results with it.  Like I said, most hunters think scents and lure are magic potions that only take a couple drops dumped on the ground under their tree stand, when in fact, scents and lures are tools and need to be used properly to be productive.  In my opinion you were productive with x-tc because you first used it in the scrape and did'nt dump it on the ground at your tree stand. Plus on the morning you were hunting, you also put it in scent bombs and got the scent into the air to let the bucks know that the criiter that previously visited the scrape is now back in town. So they came looking....  O0
 
Like I said, you are definitely on the right track. Keep up the good work and keep after them scrapes......  O0  From your first post, it sounded like you have discovered the power that a scrape holds when you manipulate it by placing a scent or lure into it.   ^-^

I'll tell yea, the scariest thing in the world is on a calm morning before daybreak, is to hear a buck come charging after the scent you just put out, and you cant see the damn thing...my scent balms were relativily close so I was hoping he wouldnt kill me before I killed him...

Yea, I know what you mean, it gets my heart pounding everytime. This is another reason why I like the tree stands, when you hear that buck coming up through the woods before daylight, he sounds like a freight train coming and with me being 20-30 feet off the ground it helps ease my mind a bit.......  :shock:

Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on April 22, 2006, 05:21:29 AM
Stony,once again that was an insightful responce. Hunting scrapes can be rewarding to say the least if done at the proper times. Having said that however I have always setup at least sixty yds away from a scrape. And depending on predominate winds and the lay of the land in relation to scouted core areas,I might set up a few ambush sites. I agree about the use of scents, this again has to be done right to be effective, and is sometimes over done. I wish I was a little more comfortable with the many scents on the market today, this I am working on.

 
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on April 22, 2006, 10:30:20 PM
Why thank you sir.I think from now on I will order from you. When you get a chance email me with info on where to contact you, for shipment, price etc. Once again thanks.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: Stonycreek Whitetails on April 23, 2006, 08:05:34 AM
Thank You eddiejohn4,
I wasn't trying to give you a sales pitch, rather I was jus trying to explain the difference......  O0   If you would like more info, you can see all our products and information by visiting our website.

www.stonycreekwhitetails.com (http://www.stonycreekwhitetails.com)

Thanks again and enjoy.....  O0
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: 12 Ring on April 23, 2006, 03:12:57 PM
Wow let me get this straight now stony you are saying all the scents at the stores are already expired before we even buy them.  Which would mean every scent I ever used has been no good.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on April 23, 2006, 08:36:46 PM
Stony, Im not a compulsive buyer, and I took your post on its merits.You  made sense and all urine or for that matter all biological metabolites break down with time , o2, and light. I also did not take ypur post as a sales pitch, but even if it was, what would be wrong with that, is this not the american way. As long as your product proves to be as fresh and pure as stated, I think I will bite.

 Again thanks for the info and I will get  in touch as the season nears.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: ncbuckhuntr on April 23, 2006, 09:30:28 PM
Hey stony creek I noticed in the snow (late season) one year one deer I was tracking had Reddish colored pee almost like there was blood in it. I think it was a buck have you ever noticed this 
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on April 23, 2006, 09:46:26 PM
Stony, I do not take photos, this is a quirk of mine. do not enjoy the kill just the meat, so I do not mount any or take photos . the only antlers I keep are used to rattle.  And I expect nothing more than what you have stated. I have been successful without scents, and will add this to my arsenal.

I will let you know how the hunts have gone though. Thanks again. and I want my hat! ;D
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: ncbuckhuntr on April 23, 2006, 10:51:41 PM
Thanks for the info Stony  O0
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: Stonycreek Whitetails on April 23, 2006, 11:33:25 PM
Stony, I do not take photos, this is a quirk of mine. do not enjoy the kill just the meat, so I do not mount any or take photos . the only antlers I keep are used to rattle. And I expect nothing more than what you have stated. I have been successful without scents, and will add this to my arsenal.

I will let you know how the hunts have gone though. Thanks again. and I want my hat! ;D


Thats fine, I will take the photo of the backstraps..... and a testimonial on how well they tasted.. :-)  :-)

Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: Stonycreek Whitetails on April 23, 2006, 11:34:35 PM
Thanks for the info Stony O0


Glad to have help...... :-)

Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: eddiejohn4 on April 23, 2006, 11:48:50 PM
Stony maybe someday we will get together and put some on the barbie. Have some family in foxsburg up on the allegany river.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: 12 Ring on April 26, 2006, 09:47:46 AM
OK now you got me going!!   Stoney please tell me what scents we should use during the hunt like I live in the North East our hunting season starts in Mid October and runs through Jan 1. What scents should we start with and when and what should we switch to Like start in Oct with and then Nov. 10 switch to. Including any combinations and how to use them. And is there any scent sold that we should never use. I have used a lot of scents but as you have shown me I have no Idea what I'm doing. Any info you can give will be great. Thanks for all the great info so far.                 Mike
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: Ks_Sniper on April 26, 2006, 02:45:46 PM
I've never hunted deer; however, I hope to be successful this coming season. Now, I have no desire to bring down a record-sized buck, as I'm in this for the meat. So, I'm looking for doe only. I'll leave the bucks for the trophy hunters out there. With that being said, do you have any tips for hunting the female of the species? ???
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: ncbuckhuntr on April 26, 2006, 03:01:51 PM
Gr8 post Stony Creek  O0 O0 O0 Professional or not I think you should write a book on what you know.  And Ks Sniper I will tell you what I know about does. The old Does are as smart as the trophy bucks (they have blown my cover more than once >:()and I think can sometimes be harder to kill cause they dont get rut crazed. I think does follow patterns more than bucks (like trails, feeding areas, and time of day they move). I hunt bucks in the areas that hold the most does in my area. I know you say your not a trophy hunter but when hunting an area full of does during the rut you might be surprised what you see if you dont blast the first one that comes out.  Another thing I have noticed and I dont know exactly why but I have seen does bed down by Mock scrapes that I have made. This is just my 2 cents I will let Stony fill in the details.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: 12 Ring on April 27, 2006, 09:31:35 AM
Stony again thank you so much for your info. I printed it up so I can refure to it during hunting season. Now when should we start to order lure from you. Would a week before we start hunting be good. Also this year I am going to try to be more selective in what deer I harvest, Last year I shot 10 deer in 3 states all seasons (bow gun  muzzleloader) but its only every couple of years that I take a nice buck. I have always taken any and all deer that give me the opertunity.. I really think by doing this and not letting a lot more of the does walk by I am hurting my chances at a nice buck. I am going to try hard but you know when I get up and that stand and a doe walks by in range sometimes its been weeks since I saw a deer and I let her have it. We don't have the amount of deer here in Ma. that you do in Pa. so when I see one its hard to let it walk.               Mike
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: ncbuckhuntr on April 27, 2006, 04:01:26 PM
Great lookin bucks Stony  O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: bohicajuan on April 27, 2006, 11:28:20 PM
Outstanding deer and taxidermy work you got there Stony O0 O0
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: sticker pt on May 21, 2006, 04:50:35 PM
new to site and like what im reading so far. looks like u- are some smart hunters.
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: ncbuckhuntr on May 21, 2006, 08:55:23 PM
I have learned a lot from Stony Creek   O0 Check out the Understanding deer behavior section if ya havent already
Title: Re: Scouting for White tailed deer
Post by: sticker pt on May 22, 2006, 09:16:24 AM
i have and like it just might have to get some of that  p p . my self i go all nat (no scents) have seen to many deer in past spook ( know why now) thanks stonycreek for info i add your site to my favorites. keep up the good work