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Title: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on June 09, 2006, 11:38:30 AM
just reading new bowhunting mag- and it talks about a stand over looking good sign but the wind/access hard to deal with, are a stand the has little sign but the wind is right with a bit better access. note: this all takes place on public land/wma.  do you risk blowing a good spot, you know the deer will be there are do you hunt the stand that has little sign with the wind right and access is better.?  just making some small talk here.  myself i use scent lock-suit's and cover scent's , i have 2/3/4 ways into my stands. i would risk it and i have and done pretty good. think about it buck's come in at down wind side most of the time anyway. thats why some times hunters hunt facing the tree, i think as hunters of deer that we are never really going to win the wind game. but if i have a buck that i know is working a section of woods in a wma, i have to take the so called risk and hunt him, but i also have to do everything in my power to not let him know that I'm onto him.  it all comes down to executing every thing right. some days you roll 7 & 11  and some days you roll snake eyes.  LETS GET SOME DEER TALK GOING SEASON IS COMING TO YOUR HOME TOWN SOON.. O0
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on June 11, 2006, 04:47:30 PM
 anybody out there ??. you guys are starting to hunt my feelings , seem's like nobody ever gives me any feed back but my bow shooting bud up north? allen (whats up allen) i'm just trying to get some small talk going :D  some give up some info/feed back are i'm going to start :'(  and thats not manly you know. :roll: P.S NO WRONG ARE RIGHT ANSWER'S. this just gives me a reason to get away from the wife & kids for a few hr's.  so please help make my life easy O0  p.s i'm 40 with wife+kids+dogs= no life :-\ 
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Meat Hunter #737 on June 12, 2006, 07:44:14 AM
I'm 30 with a wife and step kids....(dont actually plan on having my own kids either...I'm too selfish...) anyway... yes deer hunting...I think alot of people are in fishing mode still... but it is June and the fall is creeping upon us...my thoughts are not about scentlock because of the article some guy wrote http://www.fastestbows.com/articles/corrigan/scent_suits.htm   that stoney had posted on here a few weeks ago...I think scent is important but I focus more on cover scent, and am actually looking forward this year to trying out a vanilla extract coverscent combined with scent eliminator laundry and soap, and of corse the scent blocker spray/ and bar soap... but as far as wind direction goes I try to stay up wind because I also use other deer scents, which have worked for me in the past while I was in a folding chair... but now I have a climber tree stand, and now I will start my scouting anytime after july 4 to find out where any deer are hanging out...I read "dont go out buck hunting, but hunt does and that is where the bucks will be at the beginning of the rut" which makes scence, NY bowhunt starts just before the primary rut/chase faze begins....last season I really got into scrape hunting, using a spray into a fresh scrape, the first one I found, and got busted one morning before daylight, big life lesson....anyway...I plan the same technique of spraying down a scrape with scent called XTC...I think its synthetic, but worked for a guy I know and could have worked really good for me had it been daylight, but I nearly got raped by a large buck, had a guy take my buck just hours later, and this season should be better than last (with high hopes).this past year I have been doing alot of research and knowledge about the whitetail, and did a little scouting with the spring turkey season ( I saw 4 deer in my spot that I spent only a couple hours in,and refused to shoot a turkey in while I was observing) so high hopes, and dont worry about the scentlock stuff...if you read that article and remember that people throughout history have been taking large bucks without the use of this scentlock sh** you may save a $ or two, otherwise, use a cover scent, a deer scent of your choice and believe that it will work... much more anticipation for the coming fall...later...
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: John Andrews on June 12, 2006, 09:53:10 AM
That IS tough, stand hunting with the wind blowing from a different direction every day. I found the best cover scent for myself, natural skunk scent. Hunting near a bluff top can be of a great advantage, too. Rising wind currents as the sun warms up the bluff can be used to great advantage. If I was serious hunting, I would not pass on a day of hunting, but would have some secondary ambush spots to hunt. I realize this is not possible at some hunting spots. That's the day to catch up on wife's honey-do list or just go fishing, when the wind doesn't allow a hunt.
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on June 12, 2006, 12:04:26 PM
I'm 30 with a wife and step kids....(dont actually plan on having my own kids either...I'm too selfish...) anyway... yes deer hunting...I think alot of people are in fishing mode still... but it is June and the fall is creeping upon us...my thoughts are not about scentlock because of the article some guy wrote [url]http://www.fastestbows.com/articles/corrigan/scent_suits.htm[/url]   that stoney had posted on here a few weeks ago...I think scent is important but I focus more on cover scent, and am actually looking forward this year to trying out a vanilla extract coverscent combined with scent eliminator laundry and soap, and of corse the scent blocker spray/ and bar soap... but as far as wind direction goes I try to stay up wind because I also use other deer scents, which have worked for me in the past while I was in a folding chair... but now I have a climber tree stand, and now I will start my scouting anytime after july 4 to find out where any deer are hanging out...I read "dont go out buck hunting, but hunt does and that is where the bucks will be at the beginning of the rut" which makes scence, NY bowhunt starts just before the primary rut/chase faze begins....last season I really got into scrape hunting, using a spray into a fresh scrape, the first one I found, and got busted one morning before daylight, big life lesson....anyway...I plan the same technique of spraying down a scrape with scent called XTC...I think its synthetic, but worked for a guy I know and could have worked really good for me had it been daylight, but I nearly got raped by a large buck, had a guy take my buck just hours later, and this season should be better than last (with high hopes).this past year I have been doing alot of research and knowledge about the whitetail, and did a little scouting with the spring turkey season ( I saw 4 deer in my spot that I spent only a couple hours in,and refused to shoot a turkey in while I was observing) so high hopes, and dont worry about the scentlock stuff...if you read that article and remember that people throughout history have been taking large bucks without the use of this scentlock sh** you may save a $ or two, otherwise, use a cover scent, a deer scent of your choice and believe that it will work... much more anticipation for the coming fall...later...
just checked it out brings up some good ponits but man i hunt here in fl its hot at the start of deer season and i have walked right up on deer in the swamps ? i guess it's like a## hole's every body has one. im going to keep using my suits cant hurt anything and they cost to dam# much not to use. but thanks for the web-site gave me something to read sitting to rain out today.  p.s what do you think about the tubo nocks??
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: MARLIN on June 13, 2006, 07:50:07 AM
just reading new bowhunting mag- and it talks about a stand over looking good sign but the wind/access hard to deal with, are a stand the has little sign but the wind is right with a bit better access. note: this all takes place on public land/wma.  do you risk blowing a good spot, you know the deer will be there are do you hunt the stand that has little sign with the wind right and access is better.?  just making some small talk here.  myself i use scent lock-suit's and cover scent's , i have 2/3/4 ways into my stands. i would risk it and i have and done pretty good. think about it buck's come in at down wind side most of the time anyway. thats why some times hunters hunt facing the tree, i think as hunters of deer that we are never really going to win the wind game. but if i have a buck that i know is working a section of woods in a wma, i have to take the so called risk and hunt him, but i also have to do everything in my power to not let him know that I'm onto him.  it all comes down to executing every thing right. some days you roll 7 & 11  and some days you roll snake eyes.  LETS GET SOME DEER TALK GOING SEASON IS COMING TO YOUR HOME TOWN SOON.. O0


Sticker pt,
  I found out last ( by trial & error ) that if you just take a hike around the same time every day, through the same spot the animals get used to your smell, and presences. This helps big time, for they really aren't all that scared of you come shooting time  :wink: .  Or atleast this tactick worked last year for an small 8 point last year, by the way this was in Moriah N.Y..   
  I started this trick in late June, starting seeing them a couple of weeks later, then they seemed to let me get within 30 yards or so, then come early Nov. fimuntes, and a bang, that was it. The bad thing, I forgot my camera for that one.      By the way my grandfather, told me, or taught me this trick, seems to work for him every year.
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on June 13, 2006, 08:26:58 AM
just reading new bowhunting mag- and it talks about a stand over looking good sign but the wind/access hard to deal with, are a stand the has little sign but the wind is right with a bit better access. note: this all takes place on public land/wma.  do you risk blowing a good spot, you know the deer will be there are do you hunt the stand that has little sign with the wind right and access is better.?  just making some small talk here.  myself i use scent lock-suit's and cover scent's , i have 2/3/4 ways into my stands. i would risk it and i have and done pretty good. think about it buck's come in at down wind side most of the time anyway. thats why some times hunters hunt facing the tree, i think as hunters of deer that we are never really going to win the wind game. but if i have a buck that i know is working a section of woods in a wma, i have to take the so called risk and hunt him, but i also have to do everything in my power to not let him know that I'm onto him.  it all comes down to executing every thing right. some days you roll 7 & 11  and some days you roll snake eyes.  LETS GET SOME DEER TALK GOING SEASON IS COMING TO YOUR HOME TOWN SOON.. O0
you here about deer getting use to farm eqment-and stuff like that. i think it might work now that i think about it? one spot that i hunt has hiking trails and horse trails  runing though it. who knows. thanks for the tip. have great deer season and good luck.


Sticker pt,
  I found out last ( by trial & error ) that if you just take a hike around the same time every day, through the same spot the animals get used to your smell, and presences. This helps big time, for they really aren't all that scared of you come shooting time  :wink: .  Or atleast this tactick worked last year for an small 8 point last year, by the way this was in Moriah N.Y..   
  I started this trick in late June, starting seeing them a couple of weeks later, then they seemed to let me get within 30 yards or so, then come early Nov. fimuntes, and a bang, that was it. The bad thing, I forgot my camera for that one.      By the way my grandfather, told me, or taught me this trick, seems to work for him every year.
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on July 26, 2006, 06:37:29 PM
not much longer and it's the real deal, i just shot my bow and man i'm stick-in them (arrow's) and splitting vane's i cant wait. now we are starting to scout more and more and clearing shooting lane's and making ground hole's.  O0
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: John Andrews on July 27, 2006, 10:00:11 AM
not much longer and it's the real deal, i just shot my bow and man i'm stick-in them (arrow's) and splitting vane's i cant wait. now we are starting to scout more and more and clearing shooting lane's and making ground hole's.  O0
Robin Hood Of The Swamp, coming soon to your local theater!  :wink: O0 Dang, that has to he HOT hunting in Florida during the early part of the season, sticker.  Wearing the extra clothing has be he a burden, I would think.
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Meat Hunter #737 on July 28, 2006, 08:33:44 AM
I cant diagree with sticker...you pay alot of money for those suites/...but marlin has a point....if a deer is used to a person walking around smelling like (dog,bacon,perfume)everyday then they will get used to it...my father in-law who hunts his backyard, and everyyear gets a buck...doesnt use any cover scents...he says the deer are used to his smell...its the doe in heat that attracts them and he's pushing 70so if you hunt in a wma...with waterfowlers,and such take heed...but if you already invested...you might as well follow suit...I spend the money on laundry detergent,cover scent, and any arrows, or ammo...thats it...the scent I usually have been getting is cheap synthetic or by Tarsal road kill...I am planning on buying some scent from "stoney" but other than that...a Tarsal dragged through the woods by roadkill is good enough for me...its also very inexpensive,...in fact free...
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: John Andrews on July 29, 2006, 09:04:11 AM
Meat Hunter makes a very good point, the tarsal gland drag. I always froze a couple of doe or buck tarsal glands and saved them for the next season to drag and then hang up by my stand. Does and yearlings seem ro be attracted by the tarsal glands, too. With using some real deal skunk scent, the combo has always worked well for me. I think the scent lock suits are over rated. Just the scent of your breath will alert  deer, telling them a human is in the area. Chances are, no matter how you try to disguise or eliminate your scent, there will be enough scent to let deer know you are nearby. You may be able to weaken your scent enough to not put the deer on high alert, though. Sometimes when deer smell a remote human scent, they will approach your area, trying to eyeball the source. I have witnessed this happening with a nice buck looking for a house cat at the installation where I work. The buck actually worked his way through a large parking lot full of parked vehicles until he could eyeball the cat while the cat was walking across the lot. The buck was off the lot, into the weeds and brush when he smelled tha cat.
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Juandogg on July 29, 2006, 09:15:52 AM
read in one of my huntin magizenes they now make gum that makes your breath smell like the woods
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on July 29, 2006, 11:22:09 AM
 SOMETIMES I SIT UP WITH THE WIND TO MY BACK WITH MOST BUCK'S COMING IN WITH THE WIND IN THERE FACE IT MAKES THE MOST SINCE AND TIME HE HIT'S MY DECOY ( FACING TOWARDS ME ) THAT PUT'S HIM ABOUT 12 TO 15 YARD'S OUT AND HE'S JUST STARTING TO HIT MY STINK CONE BUT BUY THEN I'M AT FULL DRAW AND PUTTING IT   IN THE PUMP HOUSE O0
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: BBF on July 29, 2006, 01:32:53 PM
Yoa sticker dude! Re getting away from wife and kids. If you bought that $1200  rifle you might just remove yourself out of harms way for a while :twisted:
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Meat Hunter #737 on July 31, 2006, 07:03:57 AM
diffrence...bow season usually in most states begins before rifle season...bow season is the real deal...rifle/shotgun season is the last chance to bag some meat...
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on July 31, 2006, 09:16:11 AM
i love to bow hunt and after the the start of gun season i take my bow back out most of the time. i will hunt with my bow in the a.m then still hunt with my 444 lever marlin then hunt the inside corners of food plot's in the p.m with my bow.  i love the inside corners of old food plots that back up to staging spots and with the south (FL) not having a set time for a ture rut you never know what will happen at the plot's. i have this one spot where the deer stage up in the p.m and start to filter through a oak flat then into this old food plot with the wind right i can get to this inside corner and i set up on the ground and wacth the deer come out of the thickit and make there way to the food plot as long as nobody else has walk through that area the deer will come out in two's & three's (doe's) then the smaller buck's THEN the shooter's so you have to wait it out and some time's you run out of light but if we have a south west cold front coming in about 1 - 4 pm man you better be sit up by 11:00am (start's to get's dark at 5:45 p.m & dark/dark at 6:15pm) last year had this big buck that i have been after for 2 season's and he came in after dark/dark but he was tearing the place apart (saping's/ground) all i could see from sitting on the ground was the tops of these little sap's being trashed. man i cant wait. :)
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Meat Hunter #737 on August 03, 2006, 09:10:40 AM
I feel your pain about bucks of the past...i missed one 2 years ago won Thanksgiving morning that was a solid 8 pointer, last year I seen him once a bit bigger...but I am hoping he had survived last season....I kinda know his home stomping grounds, and plan to make a few appearances with my laundry soap + vanilla extract, just to get the deer used to it...I read that is a great curiosity scent....so I'll get up in my climber in august and see what happens,....happy scouting.../
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on August 03, 2006, 01:43:05 PM
I WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE THIS AM (10:00) WITH STONY I WAS OUT SCOUTING AFTER MY INSPECTION AS WE WHERE TALKING HAD ABOUT A 3-4 FOOT RATTLER TRY AND START SOME SH!T WITH ME THEN LATER I RAN INTO A HAIRY SPIDER AND LET OUT A BIC@H SCREAM (ASK STONY TO NOT TELL ALL OF YOU I HATE SPIDER'S) BUT I DID FIND LEFT & RIGHT SIDE'S OF A BIG 8 PT FROM LAST SEASON IN A SPOT THAT I PLAN ON HUNTING THIS YEAR ALLOT OF BIG OAK'S WITH NUT'S THIS YEAR. IT WAS COOL SCOUTING WITH STONY ON THE PHONE. THEN I WENT TO THIS BIG SIGN POST RUB (WHAT I CALL A SIGN POST RUB. A RUB THAT MANY BUCK'S USE BETWEEN BEDDING AND FEEDING SPOT'S) me and stony are not in a argumemut we just have diff-views on some thing's (which is why this site is great you alway's learn something new) and terminology but we have one thing we both love DEER & THE MAKE UP OF A DEER'S ANATOMY O0. I WILL TELL YOU ALL THIS STONY KNOW'S HIS DEER NOT JUST SCENT'S BUT THE HUNT, i have talked to allot of hunter's in my 30+ years of hunting and i find a great joy talking with john a.k.a STONY he is a true hunter and has great outdoor experience and a great appreciate for nature's all time superstar THE WHITE TAIL DEER O0 so when stony talk's take note's he's the real deal and remember his does not get paid for this info-he writes about he just love's to spead the good word. keep up the good work stony and you can correct me anytime becuse just the last 2 to 3 season's have i come to love deer for there beauty and grace NOT JUST THE MEAT ARE THE RACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O0
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Mad River on August 03, 2006, 02:03:14 PM
Darn Sticker, why don't you just get one a plane, fly up here, and give him
a "Rusty Trombone" followed by a "Frothy Walrus" and get it over with.
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: AB on August 03, 2006, 02:23:25 PM
Frothy Walrus???  Send me a pm to let me know what the hell that is...  mad...did you call me yesterday?
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Mad River on August 03, 2006, 02:28:25 PM
Frothy Walrus???  Send me a pm to let me know what the hell that is...  mad...did you call me yesterday?

You know the "Rusty Trombone"? ??? ??? ???  You sick little monkey. ;D :D :)

I'll call you later, it would be funnier to hear your response, plus it would take too long to type. :twisted:

No, I didn't call you yesterday, but I sould have to check up on that literature your are sending. ???
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Stonycreek Whitetails on August 03, 2006, 03:29:21 PM
I WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE THIS AM (10:00) WITH STONY I WAS OUT SCOUTING AFTER MY INSPECTION AS WE WHERE TALKING HAD ABOUT A 3-4 FOOT RATTLER TRY AND START SOME SH!T WITH ME THEN LATER I RAN INTO A HAIRY SPIDER AND LET OUT A BIC@H SCREAM (ASK STONY TO NOT TELL ALL OF YOU I HATE SPIDER'S) BUT I DID FIND LEFT & RIGHT SIDE'S OF A BIG 8 PT FROM LAST SEASON IN A SPOT THAT I PLAN ON HUNTING THIS YEAR ALLOT OF BIG OAK'S WITH NUT'S THIS YEAR. IT WAS COOL SCOUTING WITH STONY ON THE PHONE. THEN I WENT TO THIS BIG SIGN POST RUB (WHAT I CALL A SIGN POST RUB. A RUB THAT MANY BUCK'S USE BETWEEN BEDDING AND FEEDING SPOT'S) me and stony are not in a argumemut we just have diff-views on some thing's (which is why this site is great you alway's learn something new) and terminology but we have one thing we both love DEER & THE MAKE UP OF A DEER'S ANATOMY O0. I WILL TELL YOU ALL THIS STONY KNOW'S HIS DEER NOT JUST SCENT'S BUT THE HUNT, i have talked to allot of hunter's in my 30+ years of hunting and i find a great joy talking with john a.k.a STONY he is a true hunter and has great outdoor experience and a great appreciate for nature's all time superstar THE WHITE TAIL DEER O0 so when stony talk's take note's he's the real deal and remember his does not get paid for this info-he writes about he just love's to spead the good word. keep up the good work stony and you can correct me anytime becuse just the last 2 to 3 season's have i come to love deer for there beauty and grace NOT JUST THE MEAT ARE THE RACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O0

Why sticker ????    That is the nicest thing anybody has every said to me.....   :-[     I'm blushing......  :-[  :-[

Cool deal Sticker, watch out for the black hairy spider crawling up your back....    :twisted:


Sticker, I live in Greensburg Pa.....  :roll:   Just look for the hot pink mini-van and the sign in the front yard that says; "free rusty trombone lesson given here"......   :twisted: 



Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: sticker pt on August 03, 2006, 03:36:44 PM
I'M ON MY WAY, AFTER READING THAT MAG-LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE BIG DEER YOU HAVE UP IN PA, NOW THAT YOU GUY'S HAVE A 3 ARE MORE PT REG-SOUND'S LIKE THE DEER ARE STARTING TO MAKE IT TO ABOUT 2 1/2 TO 3 1/2 YEARS OLD O0 THAT'S WHEN THEY START TO SHINE AND SHOW PROMISE AFTER THAT 3 1/2 AGE THE SKELETAL FRAME IS DONE GROWING AND HE IS ON HIS WAY TO A MATURE HART STOPPER P & Y DEER  O0
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: Mad River on August 03, 2006, 03:48:03 PM
I'M ON MY WAY,

He is just cruising though life without a clue, isn't he.? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ACCESS BETTER THAN SIGN
Post by: eddiejohn4 on September 01, 2006, 02:48:20 AM
I would reposition myself along the deers access to this area to be right with the wind .( sometimes you must have several stands) You should vary your way to a stand to avoid polluting this area with not only scent but noise and your presence, as deer in this area are aware of most everything in their domain that occurs frequently.