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Title: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on June 06, 2007, 08:28:11 PM
LIGHTS FOR HUNTING



This post will try to show how different lights used for hunting compare with each other, and will clarify the difference between the lumen ratings used in Luxeon (LED) lights and incandescent lights.
In short, I will show (through pictures) how Luxeons lack definition when used at increased distances.

I have maintained for a long time that LED Luxeons donít have the range over the incandescent to really be helpful for general hunting. They are excellent lights to use inside the house; their beams are very clean, white and with substantial flood, and in the average house, that is all you need. However, when taken outside to the backyard, woods, or large structure and the distance to the target is 25 yards or more, they lack definition (as they lack the red spectrum of light), and their poor penetration of fog or rain makes them inefficient to clearly identify what you are seeing at that distance.
Moreover, when the subject being illuminated is an animal with a light-drinking fur (depth of texture), the blending effect of the LEDís (against the background) will cause the observer to lose perspective.


LOW LIGHT FOR WALKING IN THE WOODS


Hunters that have used the Fenix LOP (1 AAA) consider this light ideal (except for the lack of a clip). Another favorite is the ARC AAA. These lights can be held in the mouth without any discomfort.

Fenix has put out a bigger light (1 AA) with two stages output, and the lower output will be also ideal for projecting a soft LED beam that will aid in walking the woods in the pre-dawn blackness when going toward your stand, (perhaps following a trail of cat-eyes) at this time, it is necessary not to pollute the area with more light than what is absolutely needed.
Some hunters that know the terrain well, prefer to use a red filter over the light, as is well known that deer and others animals cannot see red light.


THE BELT LIGHT

Those same hunters want to have a good light on their belt. Some prefer the two cell 123ís lights like the Surefire 6P, G2, or C-2 for their better flood beam over the more tightly focused Streamlight Scorpion, TL-2 and Night Fighter II.
They look for a run time of one hour and an output of 65 lumens.
Some opt for more intense lights like the Surefire 9P or the C-3 with their 105 lumens and one hour run time.
The Streamlight TL-3 is a little too tightly focused for a belt light but it will do fine at the longer distances were the bigger lights shine.
In LED form (Luxeon V), the Surefire L-4 is a good contender due to the excellent flood light that it puts out at medium range, however it lacks the throw needed for more distance illumination.

The main thing is that the hunters want to avoid losing precious seconds by panning a light when in the woods. That is why the Surefires are preferred over the tightly focused others brands, because they have special reflectors that diffuse the light into a bigger flood pattern.


THE CAR LIGHT

Some hunters  wear a light holder in their belt (a plastic and leather ring). On exiting their cars, they slip in the ring one of the powerful rechargeable lights, most commonly the Magcharger (200 lumens) or the Ultra Stinger (295 lumens) and some even  a Borealis 1050 lumens mega light.

Those are ideal lights for search for wounded game, search and rescue of lost partner, signaling at long distances and using them as spotlights after the hunt. Being rechargeable, they are always used with a maximum run time (taken out of the charger at start of the day, a thing that you can not do with 123 batteries unless you are willing to dump half-used batteries at the start of every day of hunting.

Their large diameter (2 inches) reflectors put more light at a longer distance than any of the belt lights. Even though some of the belt lights approach 200 lumens, they do it with reduced run time and much reduced throw, due to their small diameter reflectors.
A Magcharger will put a spot of light at 150 yards, as will the Ultra Stinger and a Borealis has the capability of illuminating the whole road for 250 yards.


Lets start with the popular Surefire G-2 (or 6 P) at 65 lumens, the target is the 8 by 12 tool shed at 30 yards.
We are going to pit the Surefire G-2 65 lumens $35.00 against the Surefire Digital Lumamax L-4 (also 65 lumens and with a price tag of $160.00).

Surefire G-2 65 lumens

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/Gtwo65lumens.jpg)

Surefire L-4 Luxeon V, LED, 65 lumens

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/elefour65lumens.jpg)

And now we are going to pit the Surefire 6 P with the P-61 120 lumen lamp (20 minutes run time) against the best Luxeon LED thrower that I have (similar to the cree LED).
This is a Mc Gizmo PR T head with a TWOJ bin Luxeon doing 120 plus lumens.

Surefire Centurion C-2 (same as the 6P) with the P-61 lamp, 120 lumens.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/centuriontwoP-61120lumens.jpg)

And the PR T with TWOJ bin Luxeon, (LED) @ 120 lumens

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/TWOJbin120lumens.jpg)

And now we are going to show a belt light of 200 lumens (The Surefire Centurion III with the P-91 lamp, 200 lumens, 20 minutes run) and three cars' lights of 200 lumens plus and beyond.

Surefire Centurion C-III, 200 lumens P-91 lamp.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/Centurion3200lumensP-91.jpg)

And here the Magcharger also 200 lumens, with its bigger reflector and tighter focus will throw the light at 150 yards, while the Centurion III range will stop at 45 or 50 yards.

Magcharger 200 lumens (40,000 candlepowers)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/Magcharger200lu.jpg)


And here is the Ultra Stinger, the most powerful of the rechargeable from Streamlight with 295 lumens and 75,000 candlepower.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/USTINGER.jpg)

And now the BOREALIS, the light that has  the format of a 3 D (12 1/2 inches long) outputting 1050 lumens for 50 minutes.
This is similar to a two million candlepower spotlight

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/boREALIS1000plus.jpg)



As I have over 200 lights that I have used at one time or another in my hunting expeditions, I am well familiarized with distinct situations that call for different lights and method of using them.
I have encountered a new one lately, that calls for following a wounded wild boar at night with a powerful pistol like the S&W 500 or a 454 Casull  and also a powerful light in the order of a Surefire M-6 (500 lumens) or a Borealis 1050 lumens.
For myself, I cannot think of another pursuit that could be more dangerous to life and limb, although I have a lot of respect for the young athletes that have tried it, I consider it too ďExtremeĒ for my good health.

Hope I can do some more talking to the members about my second hobby after knife collecting, which is of course hunting at night and light usage.

Respectfully
black bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: travo on June 06, 2007, 10:30:21 PM
awesome info, black bear. i am a waterfowler, and use a headlamp on my expeditions. i have noticed that the halogens dont throw all the light, but the batteries last much longer. anyway, i kinda am lookin for a better headlamp after goin thru a few caplights and the headband styles last year. what i really need is something adjustable, with max power, lightweight, waterproof, and above all, RUGGED. any suggestions on lights before i go blow the big money on something that doesnt work? just try to keep it under a hundred bucks.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on June 07, 2007, 08:00:28 AM
Hi travo,

Here are some that qualify

Princeton APEX

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?


PETZL DUO 5 LED and Incandescent lamp

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0027764516640a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=headlamps&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=headlamps&noImage=0

BLACK DIAMOND ICON

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0044814517633a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=headlamps&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=headlamps&noImage=0


BRUNTON L 3 HEADLAMP

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_517633&id=0040475517393a

CABELA'S ALASKAN GUIDE SERIES HEADLAMPS

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_517633&id=0034254517056a

PETZL MYO XP HEADLAMP
http://www.rei.com/product/721995

BLACK DIAMOND VECTRA IQ
http://www.rei.com/product/720276?vcat=REI_SEARCH


Now, let me explain some of the new features of the new lights, many work wit a combination of incandescent bulbs and LED's
Regular LED's are the Nichia 5 mm at about 7 lumens each. they usually come in cluster of 3 to 5 Nichias.
LUXEON is a very powerful LED that can put out 30, 40 or as much as a 100 lumens (if driven hard); they come in 1 watt 3 watts (a thrower) and 5 (V) watts (a flood)
They are centrally located in the reflector, while the small Nichias usually surround a centrally located Incandescent bulb.

INCANDESCENT BULB

Especial gases inside the Incandescent make them brighter than old style Vacuum.
Krypton is about double the brightness, Halogen and Xenon gases make the Incandescent, super bright.

BATTERIES
Any headlamp that put a LOT of light downrange, will use battery juice like crazy, even Luxeons LED's will consume a lot of battery juice.
I recommend that you use AA NIMHS rechargeable batteries (same as digital cameras use).
They are even more powerful than regular alkaline and they don't sag as much half way down the run time.


THROW
If you need to throw the light a good way out, no Luxeon light will  satisfy you, they are powerful but they lack throw and are poor at showing detail at long distance (cause they lack the red spectrum of light)
If you need to see far, go with a centrally located incandescent surrounded by 3 to 5 Nichia LED's.
If the area you hunt is foggy, forget about LED's in general and get a good Incandescent, LED's will not penetrate fog.

For my own use, when camping and doing camping chores like washing dishes or opening a tent at night, I use a PELTZ Tikka Plus headlamp
http://www.rei.com/product/751757?vcat=REI_SEARCH

And for other uses in the trail I have a Pinceton Tec Vortex (Incandescent) headlamp
http://www.rei.com/product/619011

I hang from the ceiling of the tent a CMG LED (1 Nichia at 7 lumens) that provide soft illumination all night long, and as I camp in bear country alone, I have an ultra  powerful BOREALIS flashlight (1050 lumens) next to my Colt .44 Magnum.
(The other items are my perimeter and infrared alarms systems)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bearkit.jpg)

Hope this help you to select your next headlamp.

Respectfully
Black Bear


Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on June 07, 2007, 10:43:30 AM
That was very nicely done, black bear!  O0 Great info and pictures. O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on June 07, 2007, 12:48:56 PM
John Andrews,
Thank you for your appreciation of my efforts, my pet project is to establish a data-base of beam shots, so people can check how the lights perform and compare with each other.

So here are some more:


MORE LIGHTS FOR HUNTING




As a continuation of the first post and for whatever value it has, I am going to do some more shoot outs of a mix of popular Luxeon lights and incandescent ones.

The first order of things is to change the target area, to make it a little more interesting to my viewers.
Consequently I replaced the tool shed target with a deer and bear mount.
The deer head mounted on the tree is exactly 26 yards from my second story window from where the lights are shinning.
The bear head in the fence is only six more feet further away from the tree.

In the summer I have plenty of bushy cover in the area, but this time I had to be creative and cut and nailed to the tree and fence, some branches from a pine tree, not to hide the animals from view, just to provide a natural blending effect, like they were coming from a natural habitat.

The camera was placed twelve foot away from the tree (and eighteen feet from the bear) in a solid tripod, and the night  camera mode used (this mode shows in pictures the same light values that I am seeing with my own eyes).

The close proximity of the camera is for the viewer to see the target with clarity; if I were to place the camera 26 yards away the target will be awfully small.

 Here it is the target area and  how it looks  in daylight.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/deerdaypicture.jpg)

And here are the contenders, but before I describe them, let me voice my opinion that some manufacturers of Luxeon lights label the output in lumens in quite a wild way.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/ledInc.jpg)


From left to right:  # 1 Fenix L1P at about  40 lumens, # 2 Nuwaii Q III  at 75 lumens (yes, sure!) # 3 Surefire L-4 Digital Lumamax at 65 lumens (this is a Luxeon V which is quite a flood light but with little throw).

# 4 Streamlight Task-Light 2 L (two Lithium 3 volts batteries, high and low output,
Cost is about $77.00) This is billed at a High Flux Luxeon III. With 75 lumens, which I think is about right.

# 5 is the Streamlight Pro Polymer 4 AA with a Luxeon I,  billed as 40 lumens (3,500 candlepower according to the advertising) which I think is quite wrong, as it appears to me to have about 70 lumens or more, this light has a bigger and deeper reflector than the others lights and the beam is concentrated more than the others. This is a great light for the price of about $40.00

# 6, this is a PR T Luxeon III head done for me by master modder McGizmo, it is set on a Surefire E2e body and I am using two rechargeable 123ís with a voltage of 4.2 volts in it.
This light is my best Luxeon III light and up to two years ago it was  pretty HOT STUFF, today the cree LEDís are approaching it in intensity, although it has not been overpower by any other Luxeon, yet.
My friends told me I have two of the Integrated Sphere Spectotometers just above my nose, those spheres are telling me that this light makes 120 to 130 ďrealĒ lumens.

# 7, this is A Surefire Centurion II in black with the P-60 lamp (65 lumens) this represents all the others Surefires lights that use this lamp, G-2, 6P. Z-2. etc.

# 8, this is another Surefire Centurion II, but in Hard anodized, it wears the HOLA lamp. The P-61 with the output of 120 lumens for 20 minutes.

# 9 this is a Surefire Centurion III (3 cells) this is usually sold with the P-90 lamp that makes 105 lumens for one hour, but in this case is set up with the P-91 lamp for 200 lumens for 20 minutes, as you will see in the picture later, the floodlight effect is great at 26 yards. All those Pís lamps start to lose range at about 45 to 50 yards, this is because the reflectors are fabricated to produce a good flood so police officers can clear houses with them.
I took this particular light out of my Remington 742 rifle, where it sits in the special quick detach mount in a Picattiny rail.

# 10, this is the BEAR CUB, this light weights 13 oz and measures 9 inches long, it works with two Lithium Ion computer batteries, and produces 220 plus lumens for 90 minutes. Thanks to the big and deep 2 inch mirror-like reflector, this light concentrates the beam like a laser and has a throw of 120 to 150 yards.
So the 26 yards distance is like child play for the Bear Cub and the light is so intense at the target that they had to close their eyes!

# 11,  (last on the left lying in horizontal position next to the Bear Cub) this light is a KL-1 head Luxeon I of three years ago, it is set up in a Surefire Outdoorsman body and the lumens output is no more than 20, consequently I decided to strike it out from the competition, there is no room in my stable for weaklings and I will present it to my nephew on his birthday quite soon.

And now letís go to the pictures:

Fenix L1P  (40 lumens) Luxeon I

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/l1pfeni.jpg)

Nuwaii Q III (advertised at 75 lumens in a website, which I donít believe) Luxeon III.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/nuwaii.jpg)


Surefire L-4 Digital Lumamax (65 lumens) this is very flood light and the lumens spread in a very wide area, so it cannot  be expected to have a good throw at 26 yards. (Luxeon V ~which are 4 of the one watt together)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/l-4sure.jpg)


Streamlight Task Light 2 L about 75 lumens on high, works on two 123ís batteries and has two levels of illumination.  High Flux Luxeon III. About $77.00

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/tasklight75.jpg)

Streamlight Poly Pro 4 AA Luxeon.  This light has a deep and bigger reflector, the Luxeon is  I, according to the manufacturer, is listed at 40 lumens, but to my eyes is doing about 75 lumens.
For the price of $40.00 this is a great light, and very battery friendly as it uses regulars AA.
I feed this light, rechargeable Nimhs AA of high current (Powerex 2700 mah) that hovers around 1.4 volts for weeks consequently it costs me nothing to operate it.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/4aaluxeon1.jpg)


Mc Gizmo PR T head on Surefire body, Luxeon III, TWOJ bin,
My best Luxeon light putting out 120 to 130 lumens. This is a collectorís item and was state of the art, less than two years ago.
I have found nothing new that can approach its power, except the new cree 7090 that is getting close.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/prt120lu.jpg)

Surefire Centurion II in black with the P-60 lamp (65 lumens for one hour)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/c-265lu.jpg)



Surefire Centurion II in Hard anodized with the P-61 lamp (120 lumens for 20 minutes)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/c-2ha120lu.jpg)

Surefire Centurion III in hard anodized, with the P-91 lamp (200 lumens for 20 minutes) as you can see it is a great flood at 26 yards.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/c-3200lu.jpg)


BEAR CUB running for 90 minutes on two computer Lithium Ion batteries, driving a Xenon Magnum Star  bulb for 5 cells pretty hard at 8.4 volts  at 220 lumens (which make it a very white light) with a reach of 120 to 150 yards, even surpassing the Ultra Stinger.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bearcu220luplus.jpg)

Best regards
Black bear



Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on June 20, 2007, 12:18:55 PM
THE PRINCETON TEC SURGE

Hi guys,
This here is a dive light, but so inexpensive (around $30) and so suited to camping, hunting and having around in boats and wet places, that I have included it in this thread.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/Surgelight.jpg)

A couple of years ago a store was having a sale of them, and I grabbed a bunch to have near the family in case of fire.

They output 105 lumens which is a considerable amount of lumens for such a small light working on eight AA batteries. The batteries are in parallel, so it will also work with only four batteries (and will float) with a reduced run time.

The Surge and the battery carrier and bulb combination

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/Surgbattcarrier.jpg)

It is said that the light will work for 5 hours on a full compliment of eight batteries. I have never conducted a run time test, so I canít testify that this is true. Other Princeton Tec products that claim the same run time (Q40) have fallen short.

The bulb is a 7.5 watts and quite bright, my Surges have a deeply stippled reflector that produce a good flood light and by twisting the head it can be opened to even more flood, but I donít recommend playing with the head underwater as it can compromise the waterproof level of the light.
The instructions claim the light is waterproof to 500 feet. I am a landlubber and never find myself more than six feet underwater, but Princeton Tec is famous for their dive lights and I havenít heard any complains from divers.

I put the light in my fish scale and it weights 10.8 oz. with batteries and the handy lanyard that comes with the light, so despite all those batteries the Surge is very lightweight.

Beam shot of the Surge against my deer and bear targets from 26 yards

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/surgebeam.jpg)


The throw is considerable, rivaling my Streamlight TL-3 and reaching as far as 68 yards, if you consider the low price of this light I say you get a lot of lumens for your money.

Eight batteries in a tightly sealed container as is this light can put out quite a bit of Hydrogen gas, for divers I will recommend that they keep the light with the battery carrier out until they are ready to go on the water.
For other uses such as camping or others I recommend you drill a very small hole in the body of the light, to let the Hydrogen escape.  They have been known to explode occasionally due to the build up of gas inside.

Cheers,
Black Bear

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on July 04, 2007, 12:52:41 AM
HOLY FREAKING S___!!!
The most absolute INFORMATIVE light info I have ever read  O0 O0

What do you think the best light for coon hunting would be? I will be using a mag light for general walking light but I want something that will light up the entire timber short of daylight when it`s time to spot a coon.The old wheat style lamps just don`t cut it anymore.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on July 04, 2007, 08:42:10 AM
That was great, bear!  O0  O0  O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on July 04, 2007, 02:33:01 PM
What do you think the best light for coon hunting would be? I will be using a mag light for general walking light but I want something that will light up the entire timber short of daylight when it`s time to spot a coon.The old wheat style lamps just don`t cut it anymore.
21 volt Blazer  O0 course ya gotta carry a battery that wieghs more then yer car battery ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on July 04, 2007, 04:28:51 PM
whats the price tag plott?
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on July 04, 2007, 04:38:18 PM
Here is some I found



http://www.cajunlights.com/CoonVisionLights.html

on ebay gotta figure bout 300 bucks


edited to add I just found this one  O0 O0 here ya go tech this baby shine the coon and light a smoke if ya hold it close enough  ;D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140134057873&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=140132701415&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on July 05, 2007, 10:02:20 PM
Boy the youth model sure looks like my price range  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on July 06, 2007, 11:18:19 AM
Boy the youth model sure looks like my price range  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
well then get one and when its not bright enough for ya I'll by it from ya for half price ;D my oldest kid keeps buggin me for one so I think this could work out quite nicely ;D ;D By the way I bought my 18 volt Raw Dawg ogg ebay for a 100 bucks with shipping and insurance included and surprisingly it actually was in great shape and worked like brand new
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on July 06, 2007, 06:41:41 PM
HOLY FREAKING S___!!!
The most absolute INFORMATIVE light info I have ever read  O0 O0

What do you think the best light for coon hunting would be? I will be using a mag light for general walking light but I want something that will light up the entire timber short of daylight when it`s time to spot a coon.The old wheat style lamps just don`t cut it anymore.


You should try the Borealis flashlight, it is 1050 lumens and the most powerful flashlight in the world, (it is like a two million candlepower spotlight in brightness but with a more useful side spill beam).

Two million candlepower spotlight

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/2million.jpg)

Borealis rechargeable flashlight 1050 lumens

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/1050borealisred.jpg)

And the setting in the camera was the regular daylight!

It was from a test I did using several spotlights and my red Borealis

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/redboandspotlights.jpg)

I have a head lamp for coon hunting with a battery for the belt, it will provide up to five hours of walking light, when the coon is spotted, the Borealis light up the entire woods!

cheers
black bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on July 06, 2007, 10:31:59 PM
Whats thge price of the Borealis  BB?
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on July 07, 2007, 09:09:58 AM
Whats thge price of the Borealis  BB?

$308 including charger, rechargeable 1050 lumens for 50 minutes.
 The closest competitor is the Surefire M-6 ($400, 500 lumens for 20 minutes, on six 123's disposable batteries, $36 per hour).

Those are the big guns of the flashlight scene.

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on July 07, 2007, 09:46:24 PM
Holy toledo thats alot of money for a dag`um ol` flashlight man.It doesn`t even run for that long.Some of the helmet lights last WAY longer and cost half as much.If your familer with the lights Plott posted a link to for me you would understand why
I posted this here
Boy the youth model sure looks like my price range  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

If your not familer with them check out the link.I,like alot of others on this board i`m sure,need the most bang for our buck.I`m blue collar and $308 would be half of a Garmin GPS dog tracking collar LOL or dog food for a month and a half or... You get the idea.Thanks for the reply and the imense knowledge on lighting.Keep up the good work  O0 O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on July 14, 2007, 09:03:55 PM
I use a Wizard head lamp with rheostat for tracking jobs (I am the official tracker for our group of bowhunters here in the Island), it is only so many amps you want next to your head when tracking, as a very powerful light will cook your forehead in no time.

That is why for tracking jobs involving bear I carry the Borealis 1050 lumens light on the final approach, it will blind a bear even as well as it does for humans, and give you time to react with your long knife (it is illegal to carry guns at night when using a light here in N.Y. and in Maine and most others states probably).

Cheers
Black Bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on July 17, 2007, 05:25:13 PM
THE SUREFIRE M-6, 500 LUMENS TACTICAL LIGHT

Hi guys,
Here is another of my tactical lights.  This beauty is light, relatively small and VERY powerful, and it comes with two lamps; 250 lumens for one hour and 500 lumens for 20 minutes.
THE GOOD NEWS:
In reality, when using fresh 123ís batteries of Surefire brand this light puts out 650 lumens for the first 6 minutes, this is really an outstanding performance as at 650 lumens the light is very white.
After that, the small 123ís start feeling the problem of coping with the high amperage lamp and settle to the 500 lumens output for a little more time, but you can see in the beam how the sag on the little batteries affects the output.

I have had three of the M-6ís and I am very familiar with them, they are very sensitive to what batteries they like, performing quite well with the Surefire brand, but dropping down  and with reduced run time with the Battery Station brand, (at least in my experience).

THE NOT SO GOOD NEWS:
Sometimes in a warm summer night when I use the light, I can expect it to shut down after about 11 to 12 minutes of running due to the overheat protection of the batteries.
Yes the batteries will shut down the juice when very hot to avoid reaching the melting point, it is very disconcerting to have the light going full blast and all of a sudden you find yourself in complete dark.
It will no happen often but it had happened to me three times last summer (I am an above average user of powerful lights).

The light that I use for the beam shot is not my own but one that a neighbor of mine received in the mail the day I was delivering to him a Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

This great guy will start a conversation with, hi, I am Effie and I am a flashaholic, the day I visited him we spend hours talking and looking at his lights.
The batteries in the Surefire box, were fresh, I am sure because I deflowered the tough plastic wrapping with my trusty Ken Onionís knife.
The guy have a one room house with garage in his big back yard, (for his teenage sonís to have his privacy) and that is what we used as a target, it been 27 yards away from the end of the porch where we shoot the beams of the lights and placed the tripod and camera.

As we needed another light to test it against, we used the Borealis 1050 lumens light, this being a top of the line model with the Quick Detach Swivel and the black hard anodized bezel with the glow dots.
Of course the Borealis been a bigger light made in the 3 D format and weighting at 28 oz. and with 12 Ĺ inches in length, overpower physically and in lumens output the M-6, but we didnít have anything  closer to the 650 lumens of the HOLA lamp of the M-6.
And here are the beam shots

SUREFIRE M-6 HOLA lamp (650 lumens on fresh batteries, 20 minutes run time)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/e-meseis.jpg)


BOREALIS 1050 LUMENS RECHARGEABLE (50 minutes run time)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/boreas.jpg)

And here the lights side by side before the shoot out.


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THE ONLY REAL PROBLEM:
It is the cost of the batteries, Surefires are close to a couple dollars now with shipping, it hurts my pocket to pay that much when the light uses six of them every twenty minutes and I donít use the light as much as when the batteries where going for a dollar each.
For the law enforcement sector, when the Agency pays for the batteries, it is not problem, but for us simple civilians like me, even that I donít have a mortgage anymore, I have a kid with a foot in College and I have to watch out my wallet, paying $36.00 per hour to run a powerful light it is not longer fun.

It is the top of the line of the portable Surefires and at $400 it is well worth the money due to the great and precise machining and finish and the good design specially made for tactical situations.

Cheers,
Black Bear

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on August 14, 2007, 03:42:52 PM
Hi guys,
I did this piece for a hiking club I belong to. I thought you guys maybe interested. Just please forgive the hiking flavor.

THE MOST POWERFUL FLASHLIGHTS
LIGHTS FOR TRUCK OR CAR


Hi guys,
Yes, I know that this has nothing to do with hiking, but most of us use car or truck transportation to get to the trail head and usually carry some form of a flashlight in the vehicle.
A powerful light can be a life saver in many instances, I well remember when driving up to the Adirondacks at 2 am in an empty 87 North at a point between exit 28 and 29 (North Hudson) some wild people in a truck tried to run us over into the shoulder of the road, my wife shinned a powerful light into their windshield and they desisted in the intent and actually braked hard and disappeared.
Maybe they though that only  police cars would have such a powerful light and that it was better to look for their kicks somewhere else; the case was that the light resolved the situation for us.

Then it was the time when we used it to illuminate the scene of and accident involving a deer and a poor woman in a compact car in a dark lonely side road, where blood and the insides of the deer were everywhere and the car was inoperable.

Calling by phone from New York City to a local in the Adirondacks to get our weather information I was told of a new ruse some bad guys were using to rob and hi jack cars in roads with poor traffic in the area.
The information came handy a few weeks later when in Boreas road near the junction with Tahawus road we were flagged by a guy in a truck with the head lights illuminating a dead dog in the middle of the road. at the time I was using a car I had bought from my neighbor the cop, it had a PA system and blue lights mounted in the vicinity of the radiator; we stopped short, illuminated the area with the two million candlepower of a Borealis flashlight and hit the blue lights and PA system telling them over the mike to stay were they where and to show their hands. The guy in the truck jumped inside and did a burning tire escape even running over the body of the dog, while his confederate in the bushes at the side of the road had just barely time to dive head first into the bed of the truck.

So I though that I will show the guys in the forums what a powerful light is since I have several of them with me.

HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE LIGHTS, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT:  Maglite 3 D,  Magcharger, Ultra Stinger, Surefire M-6 Guardian, and Borealis.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/contenderslig.jpg)

AND HERE A PICTURE OF THE BATTERY STICKS AND CARRIERS FROM LEFT: The 6 volts battery stick of the Magcharger, the skinny 6 volts  battery stick of the Ultra Stinger, the plastic carrier for the six 123ís batteries of the Surefire M-6 and last the aluminum and Delryn 12 volts carrier of the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/batteriesncarriers.jpg)



 The Maglite 3 D is the most popular light carried by almost everybody in a truck or car. The 12 Ĺ inches of length and the thirty one ounces of weight make also a good impact weapon for emergencies, moreover, is the affordability of the light that can be obtained almost anywhere for less than $20, and, by the way, it is a quality instrument with tight tolerances and proudly still made in the USA.
So the Maglite 3 D is going to be our first test and beam shot, the light is quite waterproof to a good extend, my neighborís kids use one to collect coins from the bottom of the pool in a game they have.
The Maglite 3 D output 39 lumens and runs on three of the popular D size alkaline batteries; it will run for an hour before the output drops to 20 lumens due to the sag that alkaline batteries exhibit under load.

BEAM SHOT OF THE MAGLITE 3 D  (39 LUMENS)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/tresd.jpg)

MAG Instruments also produce a powerful rechargeable police light called the Magcharger, www.maglite.com  this light is used by many police departments in the states and abroad; this light is the size and shape of a regular Maglite 3 D but with 2 rings of steel where the contacts for the charger are.
This light will output 200 lumens (40,000 candlepower) and I think that the price is about $120.00 a well built quality light of 12 Ĺ inch and a weight of thirty one ounces, it works with a 6 volt system on a stick of Ni Cads batteries; the charger will charge the light in 12 hours and as the Ni Cad batteries sometimes acquire memory, it is necessary to discharge it full and recharge to erase the memory in the batteries after using it for a couple of weeks.

BEAM SHOT OF THE MAGCHARGER (200 LUMENS)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/magchagerr.jpg)

The Streamlight Ultra Stinger is the most powerful offering from Streamlight, a well known police flashlight provider, The Ultra Stinger will output 75,000 candlepower, lumens figure is 295 lumens, it also works with a 6 volt system of rechargeable Ni Cad batteries, formed in a stick, the light is very popular with many police agencies and also recharges in 12 hours.
Police station across America have racks of Ultra Stingers in chargers waiting for the night shift to arrive, the light is a lightweight at 12 inches and 15 ounces, I think that the price is around $130 in the street as some lights can be bought at discount from the web.
The address for Streamlight is www.streamlight.com there they have the whole line of Stingers and other police and emergency services lights.

BEAM SHOT OF THE ULTRA STINGER  (295 LUMENS)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/ultra.jpg)


Our SWAT teams and Special Forces use for entry and to blind suspects a powerful military type flashlight called the Surefire M-6 Guardian. This light works with those powerful 3 volts Lithium batteries that are sometimes used in cameras, the flashlight uses six of them disposables batteries to run the light at 500 lumens for 20 minutes; after the 20 minutes you have to dump the batteries and get another six fresh batteries in the carrier, which is of not importance when the agency pay for the batteries, but to us civilians, dumping $12.00 worth of batteries after a 20 minutes run can get to be expensive.
This light was until recently the most powerful in the world, and Surefire sells a good quantity of them despite the tag of $400 USD.
I used one for a while in my car because it fits my glove compartment, as the light is shorter and lighter than the ones we have been discussing so far.
At 8 inches 14 ounces it is quite compact, but it will make a poor strike weapon although the powerful beam of 500 lumens will blind men or animal.
If you want more information on this light the address of Surefire is www.surefire.com


BEAM SHOT OF THE SUREFIRE M-6  (500 LUMENS)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/suremesixli.jpg)

My red rechargeable Borealis flashlight at 1050 lumens (two million candlepower) is the king of all the powerful lights and the most powerful flashlight in the world at this time.
It is made on the ďhostĒ of 3D, so replacement shells are easy available and inexpensive and the owner can replace a shell that have been scratched or dented for a mere $20 if he wishes, and in only 10 minutes transfer the special parts, (some of us take pride in good looking equipment).
This light is seen deployment with some members of the border patrol to illuminate the frontier in their quest for illegal immigration. The light can throw a powerful beam for hundred of yards and in a pinch it can be used as headlights or a landing light.
Police officers are acquiring the Borealis to use the same way that they have been using the Maglite and Magcharger, the tremendous light output makes it ideal for accident sites and traffic stops.
It uses a 12 volt system of rechargeable high current NINH batteries in a beautifully made Rolls Royce carrier, the batteries donít have any problem with memory and the new type of batteries used in this light can be away from the charger for more than a month before it needs to be topped off, and the recharging time of the light is only 90 minutes.
The run time of this light is 50 continuous minutes; it is 12 Ĺ inches long and weights 28 ounces. In test ran by the maker, the light was tortured and even shot with a .22 rifle without stopping emitting light. (As a video shows in the web site).
The light sells for $320 shipped directly from the maker, which is www.BlackBearFlashlights.com


BEAM SHOT OF THE BOREALIS  (1050 LUMENS)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/borealisluz.jpg)


I thought you guys will be interested to see all these lights in action, and I pointed them to a point in the fence next to the tree with the beams and camera shooting from a 35 yards distance, this is the longest distance that I have in the back yard

Although you can not take them in your night hikes (because of the extra weight) any of them will make a good addition to your car or truck gear, who knows,  maybe they can really help you out  of a tight situation like they did for me.

Respectfully

Black Bear

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on September 21, 2007, 02:42:57 PM
TORTURE TEST OF THE BOREALIS 1050 LUMENS TORCH, VIDEO.

http://blackbearflashlights.com/torture_test.htm

Cheers
Black Bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on September 21, 2007, 10:32:00 PM
That guy throws like a sissy.I could have hit the shed  :roll:
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on September 25, 2007, 10:56:56 AM
TWO, BLOOD TRACKING LIGHTS
BEAR CUB 220 LUMENS AND SUREFIRE M-4, 225 LUMENS

Hi guys,
I am the official tracker for our little group of seven bow hunters. Because of the small patch of private woods that we have for hunting, and to preserve the unpolluted area, all tracking is done only after dark when the hunt is over.
Our rules are that no more than two persons will retrieve the deer; this is to keep the woods as free of human odor as possible, not to spoil our chances for the next morning hunt.

I have had a lot of experience with blood tracking lights, since my father first taught me how to do it with the old gas Coleman lantern.
One thing that the old timers had right was the need for intense WHITE light. As time change, there was not need anymore to go back to the truck for the old lantern; the new crop of intense white light pioneered by the tactical lights used for SWAT and Special Forces can do the job of making that blood trail as clear as during the day.

At this point, a word about the blue lights now in use for this task, and is that in many situations they are completely useless, as I learned when I tested one of them by following a wounded bear in the Maine woods in late August. The black drop of blood blended so well with the dark green vegetation of the Maine woods, that it was impossible to track it using that light.
BLUE LIGHT


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bluefilter.jpg)

WHITE LIGHT

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/whitelight.jpg)


I am a flashaholic, a disease that is kept in check only by buying and using lights, as I own more than two hundred of them; I am well aware what is good and for what purpose. That is why I am telling my readers that for blood tracking you need a very intense white light of not less than 200 lumens.
That figure rules out LED lights, not only they donít make the grade in lumens output, they are poor penetrators in fog and are poor distance throwers.
Enter high output incandescent lights with good throw.
Not many of them out there, Surefire for sure was the pioneer with the M-4 and the M-6 lights; the M-6 with the 350 lumens lamp can run for 60 minutes, but it uses six of the expensive 123ís batteries, costing  $12 per hour run. The M-4 with the 225 lumens lamp is what I have used for years with satisfaction, except for the cost of $8 per hour, as some tracking jobs sometimes took more than 60 minutes.

THE SUREFIRE M-4 AND THE RECHARGEABLE BEAR CUB

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/eme4nbcub.jpg)


The M-4 is 9 inches long and quite light in weight, it have a stippled reflector that diffuses the light into a flood, which in my opinion is more flood than it is needed, I would like to see this light marketed with a smooth reflector for more useable throw, as sometimes the wounded deer circle back toward the open fields, and to spot one lying dead in the middle of the field more throw is needed.
For more about the Surefire M-4 ($330) contact Surefire.

BEAMSHOTS FROM 26 YARDS, CAMERA AT 12 FEET FROM DEER

BEAMSHOT OF THE SUREFIRE M-4

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/emecuatro-1.jpg)


The rechargeable Bear Cub is made by Black Bear Flashlights; it uses two state of the art Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries for 90 minutes run time outputting 220 lumens. This light is made
using the ďhostĒ of a maglite 2 C, which means than after years of hard use when the light is scratched or dented, you can renew it just by buying a new ďhostĒ for about $14.00.
The light is also 9 inches long, it has a smooth reflector that concentrates the beam and shoots it a long way, no problem with this light in spotting a dead deer in the middle of the field. The light is sold with a Li Ion charger that will charge the batteries in 3 Ĺ hours, so it is no problem to have it ready for the next morning, fully charged. These batteries last for 1,000 recharges so you have 1500 hours of use before needing another set of batteries. Before the M-4 can run for 1500 hours it will have spend $12,000 in batteries!
Extra lightweight Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries cost $30 per pair, so carrying an extra pair in a pocket will give you another 90 minutes of white intense tracking light.
When these lights are not used for tracking they make a formidable tactical light for home defense, with the capability of momentarily blinding an opponent.
The Bear Cub is available from the maker for $130 shipped, for more about this light contact Black Bear Flashlights.

BEAMSHOT OF THE BEAR CUB


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/osopeqeno.jpg)


Both of these lights will beat handily a 250,000 lumens spotlight; they are very convenient to carry in a pack or fanny-pack or even a large pocket. I use a red light to enter the woods without polluting them with light; I make a habit of always carrying my Bear Cub in my pack, ready for the most important chore of the hunting season, the retrieval of a wounded deer. I think that is our obligation to the game to make our best efforts to retrieve the deer we shoot, the use of the proper tool for tracking blood is imperative to aid in such efforts.

All the best
Black Bear



Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on November 20, 2007, 11:53:17 AM
THE BOREALIS FLASHLIGHT
1050 LUMENS

Three years ago the Borealis flashlight was conceived to be the most powerful military/police flashlight in the world. At 1050 lumens the beam of light is very similar to a two million candlepower spotlight, all that power cased in a 12 Ĺ inches long, 28 oz. light, that will run for 50 minutes before needing a recharge. Then the light uses a fast RC charger that does the job of recharging the high current batteries in 90 minutes.

Three years ago everybody was in awe of the Surefire M-6, a military/police light that makes 500 lumens for 20 minutes run time on six disposable 123ís batteries, at a cost of almost $12 per twenty minutes run.
When the agency pays for the batteries, all is well, but for the civilians that wanted to have those mega lumens of light, there was no option. Black Bear Flashlights wanted to produce a rechargeable light that surpassed the M-6 and still be affordable for those with mortgages and families, and the result was the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

The light was conceived to make use of a well known flashlight shell that is available anywhere, that way after years of hard use, the shell can be replaced for less than $20 USD and in ten minutes of the ownerís time.
The super-bulb that is almost 3 Ĺ amps needs some very powerful batteries; those nine AA batteries of high current are housed inside a Rolls Royce battery carrier that has also a charging port on the negative side. Plugging the RC fast charger in this port for 90 minutes, will recharge the powerful AA Nimh batteries.

THE ROLLS ROYCE BATTERY CARRIER AND THE RC FAST CHARGER

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The Borealis also has some especial components to cope with the increased heat from the bulb. A ceramic switch/bulb holder, a solid aluminum reflector and a Pyrex lens, take care of the high temperature issue.


The BOREALIS is the highest intensity incandescent flashlight available in the market. Some HIDís lights throw more lumens, but those are considered searchlights and not flashlights; as a HID can take as much as 30 seconds to start up, they are NOT instantaneous as the incandescent flashlights are.

HERE ARE SOME COMPARISON BEAM SHOTS AT 35 YARDS WITH THE MOST POWERFUL MILITARY/POLICE FLASHLIGHTS.
THE CONTENDERS FROM LEFT;
MAGLITE 3 D, MAGCHARGER, ULTRA STINGER, SUREFIRE M-6, AND BOREALIS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/contenderslig.jpg)


MAGLITE 3 D (the most popular police flashlight)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/tresd.jpg)


MAGCHARGER

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/magchagerr.jpg)


ULTRA STINGER

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/ultra.jpg)


SUREFIRE M-6

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/suremesixli.jpg)


BOREALIS  RECHARGEABLE


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/borealisluz.jpg)





Black Bear Flashlights spends several hours on each light working on fixing all the internal resistance issues and pro-gold all contacts and components for an increased conductivity. This results in their trademark of intense WHITE light as more voltage reaches the super-bulb. This bulb is not a flashlight bulb, but one made for powerful medical instruments.

THE BOREALIS ROYAL MODEL, WITH THE NEW LOW PROFILE STAINLESS STEEL CRENELLATED BEZEL AND QUICK DETACH SWIVEL.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/borealisroyalbox.jpg)


Police officers have adopted the Borealis for its tremendous throw and flood capabilities; hunters have abandoned their spotlights for the easy carrying of the Borealis, and civilians looking for a powerful light for the car or for home defense are flocking to the Borealis flashlight.
Respectfully

Black Bear


Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on December 19, 2007, 09:13:51 AM
ULTRA FIRE FMR1 REBEL LUXEON
200 LUMENS
ONE CR 123 A BATTERY

I bought this light from Deal Extreme for $23.24 shipped. I was very curious to try one of the Rebel 200 lumen new Luxeons and I think this is the best way to try one inexpensively.

The light has a click on, click off switch and five modes of intensities.  The low mode is 30 lumens and is said to last for 24 hours.  Another is 100 lumens for six hours, and the 200 lumens mode is three hours; then you have a strobe mode and an SOS mode.

I used a new Battery Station 123 and in the high 200 mode it lasted for Ĺ an hour, and it gets hot very quick. I donít know if the poor run time is the fault of the battery that was under-charged, or if the light will perform the same with others 123ís, but that is the results I got.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/ultrf.jpg)


Due to the small head, the flood effect is quite pronounced and the throw is poor for a 200 lumen light, but I was expecting it to be that way based on experience with other small headed keychain-type lights.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/rebelled.jpg)


Two hundred lumens in a two inch head of an incandescent will put a level of illumination that is tremendous in comparison to the small head of the Rebel 200 lumens. So we are in a time when we can no longer make an assessment based on the lumens figure, that is when the comparison pictures that I have been taken show the value, as the viewer can see for himself how the different lights with the same value in lumens output perform in real life.

If I consider the low price I like the little light in general, excepting the side switch that can be a little hard to find in a rush, as it is kind of recessed in the head of the light and difficult to find by feel alone. I will have preferred a tail switch such as I have in my Fenix L1D, but it is a tremendous price difference between the two lights, so all things considered I think that the Ultra fire is a great value, and I can put up with the side switch.

After trying to like the clip for a couple of weeks, I ended throwing it away, it is too flimsy and I will not trust it to keep the light in my pocket. The light is regular anodized, but had stood well the use in my pocket with keys and coins.

Here is my usual 26-yard beam shot against my deer head with the Ultra Fire 200 lumens

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/ultrafire200.jpg)


And here is a beam shot with the 220 lumens Bear Cub rechargeable that sport a two inch head and have a range of 150 yards.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bearpeqenobeam.jpg)


All the best,
Black Bear

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on December 29, 2007, 11:32:11 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO MY FRIENDS AND FORUM STAFF


BB
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on January 13, 2008, 10:20:43 AM
STREAMLIGHT TWIN TASK 2 L

It is easy for me to do an objective review of this light. I have been using a couple of them for two years, quite often (not exclusively because I own other lights also for everyday use).

The light has performed extremely well for me. The Twin Task uses for power two lithium 3 volts, 123 batteries, and it have two light sources, one xenon bulb of 72 lumens and three Nichia 5mm LEDís of about 7 lumens each.
The LED mode will last for 28 hours (I have to take the word of the manufacturer for this, because I havenít done a run time that long). And the Xenon bulbís run time will last for 2 Ĺ hours.
The light is quite comfortable in the hand and similar to others 123ís lights, measuring 1.34Ē wide and 5.43ď long, and weighing at 3.37 oz.

Due to the micro-faceted reflector, the flood with the three LEDís or the Xenon bulb is ample.  If you donít have to illuminate things at a distance the light is useful for chores inside the house or in the campsite or trail.
I have used it mostly with the three LEDís and I have come to believe the run time of 28 hours claimed by the manufacturer because after two years of sporadic use the light is still going in the same battery set.

The switch is on top of the head, as this is not a ďtacticalĒ light I found the switch convenient, so does my wife, that have the same model but in Titanium finish.
The focus is adjustable, but even in the tight setting the light have a lot of flood. I have lend my second light to my hunting pal Frank, that left it on the three stand for a week, on returning the light it was just the same in finish having weathered the week without any mark or discoloration. So, I didnít have any problem dunking it for a couple of hours in a big glass of water to see if it really was waterproof, and yes, it was, so far at this depth.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/twintaskagua.jpg)

The beam shot at 26 yards using the xenon bulb doesnít look impressive at all, and that is because the reflector is designed for extreme flood, but that is okay, this light is mostly for using indoors, walking the dog or for hiking a trail at the most.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/twintks.jpg)


In this picture one of my Twin Task have a Velcro tape, this match with the Velcro in my baseball cap, and allow me to have my hands free for doing any chores while directing the illumination where I am looking.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/twintask.jpg)

The street price is about $32 USD and I think that it is quite reasonable for the quality of the product, based on my experience with it I can recommend it highly.

Best regards

Black Bear

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on January 13, 2008, 10:21:40 AM
THE BLACK BEAR 720 LUMENS
RECHARGEABLE FLASHLIGHT

The Black Bear 720 lumens flashlight is 10 inch long and weights 23 oz. It has all the same high quality state of the art components as its bigger sister the Borealis 1050 lumens.

The Black Bear is made on the ďhostĒ of the Maglite 2 D., which is one of the advantages of the Black Bear System, as when after hard use, if the light is scratched or dented, a new host can be replaced inexpensively available almost anywhere, and the transfer of parts takes only ten minutes of the ownerís time.

The only difference between the Borealis and the Black Bear 720 (beside the shorter length) is in the shorter Rolls Royce battery carrier (for six batteries) and the reduced voltage super-bulbs.
The light has a 40 minutes run time and outputs an incredible 720 lumens, all this with rechargeable Nimh in the Rolls Royce battery carrier. This unit plugs into the charger for a 4 Ĺ hours charge.

THE BLACK BEAR 720,  ROLLS ROYCE BATTERY CARRIER AND CHARGER

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/BlackB720.jpg)


It is almost impossible to talk about the Black Bear 720 without mention its closest competition, the Surefire M-6.
The Surefire M-6 is well known in the tactical circles as the light used by SWAT teams and Special Forces, This light that cost close to $400, is 500 lumens for a run time of 20 minutes, running on six disposable 123 batteries, yes that is right! it uses six batteries, a value of $12 for a 20 minutes run time.

THE BB720 IS NOT MUCH LARGER THAN THE M-6, AND IT HAS A BETTER BATTERY CARRIER

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/BB720andEmesix.jpg)


Clearly, the Black Bear 720 lumens is a better value as the batteries are rechargeable, with a life of 1.000 recharges and the run time is of 40 minutes.
When the BB 720 needs new batteries after 666 hours of running, a new set costs only $30.
While the M-6 has only one choice in reflector finish, the light stippled, the BB720 has a choice of four reflector finish, to customize the light to your work. Wildlife officers doing deer census in the field will want the long throw capabilities of the Smooth (mirror finish) reflector, same as firefighters that need to punch a hole in the smoke. Others can use the Orange Peel for a little more flood, and the law enforcement officers will like the capabilities of illuminating an entire warehouse with the extra flood provided by the Light Stippled and Medium Stippled reflectors.



None of the other incandescent flashlights used for military/police work will get near the lumens output of the BB720, the Magcharger is 200 lumens and the most powerful of the Streamlights, the Ultra Stinger, is 295 lumens.
The shorter size of the Black Bear 720 makes it a natural to store in the car, inside the glove compartment, and it is not too heavy to be carried in a trench coat or overcoat pocket and the power in lumens compares to a carís headlights or to a one and a half million candlepower spotlight, really an amazing performance for a light of this size.

Surefire M-6

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/suremesixli.jpg)

Black Bear 720

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/720bbtres15.jpg)


Like its bigger sister the Borealis 1050 lumens, (12 Ĺ inches 28 oz.),  the BB720 is hand made one by one on a semi-custom basis, using state of the art components and lots of hand labor to reduce internal resistance to make the white light that is the trademark of the Black Bear Flashlights.

All the best
Black Bear



Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on January 24, 2008, 12:07:31 PM
INOVA X 1
LED FLASHLIGHT

Unlike her big sister the Inova X5T light, the little X1 uses only one LED that is rated at 2 watts.
My sample purchased about two years ago has the loupe up front acting as a lens for the light. The location of it at a certain distance in front of the emitter creates a perfectly round and uniform in brightness beam of light.  It is well focused and can be described at the Batman spotlight sign without the bat.
The light is run by one AA battery and will last for two hours. More than three years ago I started using Nimhs AA rechargeable for my cameras, flashlights, GPSís, two ways radios, rangefinders, etc. and I am very pleased with them, as they offer (almost) free electricity and permit me to use the lights without guilt and without contamination of the landfills with the alkaline batteries.

THEY COME IN BLACK OR NICKEL FINISH

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/inovax1.jpg)


The X1 is four inches long, 7.20 in diameter and weights 2.16 oz. and it has the same kind of tactical switch that his big sister the X5, with the same quality of components and high quality workmanship.

At first I was a little ambivalent in using this light for wood navigation, but in hunting I want to pollute the woods with the least amount of light possible, this very tight focus beam is ideal to spot the cat-eyes that I usually follow to my tree stand without disturbing the area with flood light, and it have served me well doing exactly this chore for me.

THIS IS THE BEAM SHOT AT 14 FEET

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/x-1beam.jpg)


This is a great quality light that it can serve very well in a ladyís purse, I have given out several as Christmas gift to lady friends as the street price is only 18 USD and the quality of the light is superb.
Regards
BB
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on March 28, 2008, 12:41:17 AM
THE CLASSIC SUREFIRE E1E EXECTUTIVE ELITE
FLASHLIGHT

This light is a beauty, short, light weight, with considerable power and with a decent run time for an incandescent light
In todayís market it is a little obsolete in the power department, as the Fenix line of small pocket/key chain lights put out more lumens and have more features.

Still, the Surefire E1e is the ďclassicĒ small light that arrived at a time when 15 lumens was only achieved with big lights using 2D batteries.

The E1e is extremely well made and finished in hard anodized type III in an olive drab finish; it weights 2.20 ounces and has a length of 3.40 inches. The lens is Pyrex and the reflector is stochastic, meaning that is finished with a light stippled pattern that makes the beam free of defects, rings and artifacts.

The light runs on one of the RC123ís batteries with a run time of 1.5 hours, the beam is nice, but will not throw far as the reflector is quite small, and small reflectors produce quite a flood.

The tail cap has three positions: unscrewed a couple of turns  it will lock up the light (what is considered a safety position); screwed a little more, will allow activation of the momentary position by pressing the rubber button; screwed further, will activate the light on constant.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/suree1ehard.jpg)


The little light charges the battery from the front, that means you have to take the head out to install the battery, as there is not enough room for the battery to enter if you remove the tail cap, as in most other lights.

The 15 lumens lamp is called MN01, and is 15 lumens of course; the MN02 is 25 lumens but itís used in the E series Surefire that carries two batteries, as is the more powerful 60 lumens MN03.

I see this light as ideal for a womanís purse or a manís pocket. Although the retail price is  $79 USD the light is so well made that is worth it. Finally, the light sports a clip that can be used to clip it to the edge of a pocket for quick retrieval, or to the bill of a cap if you need to do some chore using two hands.
Cheers

Black Bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on April 07, 2008, 03:07:58 PM
HUSKY 2D 3 WATT LED LIGHT

I was at Home Depot and I spied a new light in the flashlight section. The new torch is a HUSKY brand, which is a brand name of Home Depot. I have used some of their inexpensive lights; they are made in China and represent a good value in some models.

The new light uses two D batteries (that are included in the package) and the source of light is a three watt LED. The difference in this torch is that the switch activates three different levels of illumination.
The package lacks any instructions and doesnít even mention the output of the light or the run time. So I am guessing that the first mode (the first click) is a 12 lumens light, second click at 40 lumens and the last click about 80 lumens.

The idea of having three different levels is good, it will conserve battery juice when you just need a little light for illumination, and at the same time, the other two settings are there for more lumens when you need to reach farther or put out more intensity.
As this thread is all about comparisons, I decided to pit the new HUSKY against a Maglite 2D LED 3 watt that I bought a few months ago. I purchased the Maglite from Wal Mart for $24 USD, but I think that it was on sale at the time, still price wise the two lights. Compare.

The HUSKY is ĹĒ shorter, otherwise they compare physically to each other and they weight the same, although the HUKY have a slightly smaller head.
The outside of the Husky is finished in a slightly duller anodizing than the Maglite; both lights look handsome on the outside.
In the inside the Husky shows the threads of the tail-cap, body and head very rough. Removing the head I found an adequate heat sink, although the mounting of the LED looks a little lousy. I wanted to take a look at the reflector and plastic lens, but it was not possible to remove the bezel despite my superhuman and my weight-lifter friend efforts - the bezel seems to have been super-glued in place.

The tail-cap sports a flimsy lanyard that I will not trust to hold the light for long, and looking inside at the switch, I found it very cheesy looking, more appropriate for a toy than for a flashlight. The little strip of metal where the battery makes contact with the switch, it doesnít look good either.

The Maglite 2D on the other hand, is a high quality product with butter smooth threads, a switch that will last forever and a lot of well thought-out features (cam action, self cleaning switch, etc).
The Maglite is an American product that should cost much more of what it does now. Old timers may recall that when they first show up in the 1980ís the price tag was $60 USD and that they were selling like hot cakes, the engineering of the Maglite was at that time well above any of the existing lights, including the Kel-Lite.

In the picture you can see the Maglite 2D LED on left, the Husky light in the middle, and the red one on right is a Black Bear 720 lumens, (1 Ĺ million candlepower) a custom made light that shows how much illumination we can put into a Maglite ďhostĒ 2D, with a little ingenuity, and if the people are willing to pay the price of a custom product.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/husky.jpg)


Here are the beam shots for comparison, 35 yards to the fence.

HUSKY 3 watt

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/beamone.jpg)

MAGLITE 3 watt

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/beam2.jpg)

BLACK BEAR 720 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/beam3bb720.jpg)


My impression is that the Maglite has a much better beam, in color rendition and in intensity. Also, I can throw the beam of the Maglite much further than the Husky, even that both lights are 3 watt, the Maglite is better in quality of LED and power.
Granted - the Maglite has a 2Ē full reflector, while the Husky could be only 1 ĺ ď  that could account for the better throw, but the Maglite definitely has a whiter beam and it is more intense.


All the best
Black Bear







Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on July 20, 2008, 05:53:38 PM
Q-BEAM MAX MILLION II
TWO MILLION CANDLEPOWER
SPOTLIGHT

I very recently bought a new Q-Beam two million candlepower spotlight. I am a big user of spotlights, in my case I use them to give demonstration of the power of the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight, in police reunions, night shots, and seminars.

When my eight month-old battery for my two million candlepower Optronics spotlight gave up the ghost, I had to get a new spotlight.
I spied the Q-Beam at Wal-Mart and I bought it on the spot. It is a large spotlight with a four-and-three-quarters inch reflector, and with some extra features not available in other spotlights.
For starters, it comes with two removable batteries. One battery could be on the light while the other is charging, a good feature. Unfortunately, in my case, one of the batteries was already dead and is not recharging. I will have to return the unit and get another, hoping for better luck.

However, bad batteries are nothing new in big spotlights. It seems that the Chinese havenít gotten the hang of making lead acid batteries last any decent amount of time. I know; I have the corpses of seven spotlights to prove it (some day I will get around to rounding them up and take a picture of them).

I can safely say that I have tried all of them, and I can tell you that a quality spotlight is not available in the USA, unless you buy one of the Australianís Night Force spotlights.  Australians, with their liberal night hunting laws, know a thing or two more about night hunting and lights that the average American hunter does.

For law enforcement the panorama is different.  With the advent of the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight (12 ĹĒ long, 28 oz) a spotlight in the cruiser is no longer needed.

After all, spotlight use for law enforcement is confined to operation from the car, which is why you donít see a trooper conducting a traffic stop with spotlight in hand or chasing down a suspect with one in tow.

Coming back to the Q-Beam Max Million II, it also has another feature that was not available before in any other spotlight; a double trigger that when touched high, can activate mechanically a spring that will push the smaller part of the two-part reflector/ bulb holder, forward. This causes the focus to change to a wider flood; interesting concept, but perhaps of dubious utility. I have seen it employed in flashlights before, but by the use of two filaments positioned in the bulb envelope at different heights.

Here is a picture of the Q-Beam together with the Borealis

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/qbeamspotnew.jpg)

Unfortunately the Achillesí heel of any spotlight is the quality of its batteries. In the normal use that I give them, they never last more than 6 to 8 months, which is why I am not looking to pay more than half a century note for one, with is just what the new Q-Beam cost me at Wal-Mart.

How does it compare with the Borealis 1050 lumens (two million candlepower)?
To answer that question, I move them to the backyard of my local church, where I have a solid wall of trees and a range of 35 yards (I try to avoid solid light-painted walls that produce too much reflection and confuse the camera).

Q-Beam Max II Spotlight

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/q-beamtwomill.jpg)

Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/boreroja.jpg)


Black Bear 720 lumens flashlight

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bb720be.jpg)



The new Spotlight did well in comparison, but it is more inside the range of the Black Bear 720 lumens (10 ď long 23 oz) than of the more powerful Borealis.

 Here are the pictures for you to judge; of course the Borealis and the BB 720 are  better law enforcement tools as the side spill is bigger and the intensity and the color are brighter. Of course, you need side spill to avoid panning a tight focusí light and losing precious seconds when clearing a room or warehouse.
For those that use the Q-Beam for varmint shooting (with a partner to hold the light of course) the light will do okay up to 300 yards.

For that use you can take advantage of the red filter (at shorter distance) and the other two filters, ( blue and amber), are completely useless for varmint shooting and for any other use I can imagine, as I can not see a blood tracker using such a big spotlight with the blue filter on it.

Respectfully,
Black Bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on July 31, 2008, 12:28:17 PM
THE UTG BARREL MOUNT
                                                           
                                                         
                                                                               
Hi guys,                                                                       
For  those  wanting  a barrel mount for a flashlight or laser, I have had good
results with the UTG barrel mount.                                             
Initially  purchased  for  an  AK rifle, I found out that it can be mounted in
other rifle barrels, for example, it fits perfectly in a .22 rifle and also in
a Mini 14 I have.                                                             
                                                                               
It is a tri-rail mount with three Picattiny rails that will also accept Weaver
style  rings.  My  model is the #2 mount which have two slots; the UTG is also
available  with  five slots that will accommodate the red dots scopes that are
in the market.                                                                 
                                                                               
Picture of the UTG # 2   

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/utgtwo.jpg)                                                     
                                                                                ]   
                                                                               
Another view
                                                                 
                                                                               
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/utgone.jpg)   
                                                                               
         
                                                                       
The UTG fully loaded with two TACM III tactical lights (one with a red filter)
and a laser.
                                                                   
                                                                               
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/utg3.jpg)     

                                                                               
The UTG is sold by Cheaper than Dirt and I imagine others places that cater to
tactical rifles. Just look in their catalogue in the AK accessories page.     
                                                                               
Cheers                                                                         
Black Bear                                                               




Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on September 17, 2008, 10:21:39 AM
VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE BY JAMES MAURER
ON THE BRIGHTEST LIGHTS IN THE WORLD
THAT YOU CAN GET OVER THE COUNTER.

THEY ARE ALL THERE
THE TORCH, THE POLARION, THE BOREALIS,
THE SUNFORCE, ETC.

READ IT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN LIGHTS

http://www.jamesmaurer.com/worlds-brightest-flashlight.asp

CHEERS


Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: MADDPUPPY on September 17, 2008, 11:20:21 PM
i use the kelly's...K LIGHT....28 volt belt light it has a burn time of about 15-18 hour on the low side and about 2 hours on the high side....has a led walking light and a flicker switch......for the everynight cooner you cant go wrong with anything Mike Kelly builds

if you would want a diff set up just let him know what you want and he can build the light just that way

i paid 475 for mine and have a full no questions asked warr. for the first 2 yrs and parts the 2 after that

PS......on high the light will be a little hot on your head
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on September 23, 2008, 09:05:25 AM
For coon I use the Wizzard II and I carry one of the Bear Cub 220 lumens and sometimes one of the  Borealis 1050 lumens for the shot.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/evenbigger825at11pm.jpg)

THE NITE LITE WIZARD II
HEAD LAMP
The Raccoon hunting light

I have been using this lamp for raccoon hunting on and off for two years, so it is well proven as it has maintained the charge in the battery very well and for the purpose of raccoon hunting with dogs in the south, it has delivered a satisfactory performance.

The light has a rheostat in the top of the head lamp, so you can vary the intensity of the beam, like low when walking in the woods to high when searching in the top of the trees or shooting.

The unit comes with the cap with the holder bracket installed and a leather cable guide in the back to route your cable to the battery that is usually carried on your belt, I recommend a sturdy belt and if possible the aid of suspenders to help with the weight of the battery. The suspenders really help a lot if you donít want to cinch your belt to the point of discomfort.

In the minimum setting the battery juice will last for five hours, just about right for a night of coon hunting, as after that you and the dogs will be deadly tired.
I have found the light good for tracking blood when bow hunting, the only real issue here is to have it available when needed as it is heavy and bulky and we tend to carry a smaller and lighter hand light in the back pack, like the rechargeable Bear Cub.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/wizardii.jpg)


The light can also be used as a hand held searchlight, as the battery plastic case has a mount for the bracket in the head. The cables are sturdy and have stood up well to snags in the briars/branches etc. and the switch that is in the bottom of the head is very well made and the action positive.
So far after this light still works like the first day, after two years the battery still hold a charge, which speak good of the quality of it, I have had others lamps running in the same kind of six volts batteries that have fizzled in a year time.

This is a good quality product from Nite-Lite, I can recommend it without reservation.
Best regards

Black Bear




Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on September 28, 2008, 10:16:14 AM
This sure is the most informative info and comparison of lights I have ever seen, BB! Great thread!  O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on October 19, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
John,
Thank you for your appreciation of my thread.

Black Bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on October 19, 2008, 02:02:43 PM
REMOTE SWITCHES
WITH PRESSURE PAD

Hi guys,
I have been using remote switches in my tactical lights that are mounted in rifles,  shotguns, and bows, for quite a few years now.
The most effective of them are the ones with a direct connection to the solder pad that touch the battery (no spring), like the ones in the TACM III tactical lights.
The reason that they are more effective is that they donít rob the system of any voltage (in the way of internal resistance) as do the ones with heavy springs.

Internal resistance is the name of the game, some of them, for example the TAC STAR pressure switch, can really make a bright lamp like the P-60, looks dim and murky, due to too much internal resistance in the design of the tail cap.

THE TAC STAR REMOTE SWITCH

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/weaponlight.jpg)

A good one that I have used for years in mounting lights on my friendsí bows and rifles, is the G&P tail cap with remote.  Its design is quite good and the internal resistance is low, but it is not designed for pump shotguns as the cord is just straight and not curly.

THE G&P REMOTE SWITCH

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/gp_tapeswitch.jpg)

A very good one that I discovered recently is the Aimshot curly cord remote, the spring is copper and quite light and it seems to have very low internal resistance.
I discovered the Aimshot in Cheaper Than Dirt catalogue and at a very good price ($14.97) and it has become my favorite.
I just used one in a Pelican M-6 tactical light and mounted it using a UTG Tri rail mount in an AK rifle, it does the job well.

THE AIMSHOT REMOTE SWITCH

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/aimshotremote.jpg)

Cheers

Black Bear



Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on October 28, 2008, 03:40:34 PM
THE 200 LUMENS BATTLE

There are now a number of aftermarket lamps for the popular series of Surefire lights.
They will fit the Surefires series: 6P, C, Z, D, G, and maybe others.

I just received a new one that claims 290 lumens and is called a Cree R-2 (itís supposed to be even more powerful than the Cree Q-5).
I decided to do a shoot out with an assortment of lights that I have in the 200 plus lumens class. That way the members can see how they perform against each other.

Run time was not measured for lack of time and because I am running short on 123ís batteries. The bigger lights, namely the Surefire M-4 with the MN60 lamp (225 lumens for 60 minutes on four 123ís disposable batteries) and the Bear Cub from Black Bear Flashlights (220 lumens for 90 minutes on rechargeable Li Ion batteries) are big throwers and with them you can see clearly objects 120 and 150 yards away.

On the other hand the small reflectors of the Surefires G-2, Centurion 2 and Fenix T-1 are dispersing all those lumens close by, creating a great flood.
Those pocket lights will be great to use as tactical lights by law enforcement personnel, and especially good at clearing houses, while the Surefire M-4 and the Bear Cub will make great lights for car, truck and the open spaces.

The literature of the Fenix states that itís good for 200 yards, it will probably make a reflective target like a stop sign glow at that distance, but it would hardly  illuminate any other object. My perception from trials I made, is that this light as well as the others LEDís canít be count to illuminate (poorly) objects beyond 60/70 yards.


In any case, a lamp upgrade if you own a Surefire pocket light, is a good idea as any of them are more powerful than the stock incandescent lamp of 65 lumens or the stock LED lamp of 80 lumens.


The lights as they appear in the picture are, from left to right:


Surefire M-4 MN60 lamp 225 lumens for 1 hour (running on four 123ís batteries)
Bear Cub 220 lumens for 90 minutes, rechargeable
Surefire G-2 in yellow. It is 65 lumens for one hour with the stock P-60 lamp
Surefire G-2 in black, Lumen Factory lamp incandescent of 160 lumens
Surefire G-2 in green, Cree Q-5 by Deal Xtreme, 200 lumens
Surefire Centurion 2 in Jungle Camo, 290 lumens (claimed) with the Cree R-2 lamp
Fenix T-1, 225 lumens using a Cree Q-5 lamp

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/S5300167200lumensplus.jpg)


And now the pictures, target is 20 yards away, watch also the amount of side spill as well as the throw.

SUREFIRE M-4 DESVASTATOR 225 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/desvastatorm-4225.jpg)

BEAR CUB RECHARGEABLE 220 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bc220one.jpg)

SUREFIRE G-2 YELLOW 65 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/g-265lumens.jpg)

SUREFIRE G-2 BLACK LUMENS FACTORY 160 LUMENS LAMP

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/g2black160lum.jpg)

SUREFIRE G-2 GREEN, DEAL XTREME LAMP CREE Q-5 200 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/g2greencreede.jpg)

SUREFIRE CENTURION 2, CREE R-2  290 LUMENS (CLAIMED)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/surc-2cjcreer-2290.jpg)

FENIX T-1 CREE Q-5  225 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/fenixt1q5225.jpg)



One word of caution with high intensity LED lights: most are not thermally regulated and they will suffer from their own heat if used for an extended period. They will get very hot and the tint will change. Short use of 5 minutes or less is recommended, especially in lights like the G-2 that has a plastic body and head.

All metal flashlights like the Surefire 6P are better at dissipating the heat, and in them a few more minutes of constant use can be achieved before the heat will damage the module.
The big heavy head of the Fenix acts as a heat sink, and this light can manage to run much longer without the heat affecting the module.

Besides, the Fenix has a second setting that will run the light at 60 lumens for 10 hours.
So, if you already have a Surefire you want to upgrade, the aftermarkets lamps are great.
If you need a new light look at the Fenix line.

If you need a truck, open spaces light, the Bear Cub is a great value as it is rechargeable and very bright as well as a 150 yards thrower.

Cheers


Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on October 29, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
I have one of the new Streamlight Survivor LED lights and it works great for a backup duty light. I don't have the recharge pack, I use AA rechargeable batteries. the light really packs a good wallop for my kind of work and has good battery life/working time with the 3 different modes.

It certainly has more working time than our duty issued recharge Maglites.

The clip on my Streamlight is one that will last a lifetime and is very tough built like the rest of the Streamlight. Our issued Maglights don't have the LED bulb conversion and are fragile when it comes to being dropped. A dependable light that can handle rough treatment is an absolute must with our kind of work.

Like I said, this thread rocks, black bear 84! Your lights look to be the best on the market.  O0
I got a heck of a deal on the Streamlight, got it through a pal, wholesale price. No, I can't get more at that price, got it though my pal that got two from his son.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on January 30, 2009, 08:29:16 AM
TERRALUX LIGHTSTAR 220
FLASHLIGHT

For the last two months, I have been using one of the Terralux Lightstar 220 lumens flashlights, which runs on two AA batteries.
This light has two settings on the click-tail cap; the first setting clicks on the light and emits 220 lumens for 1.5 hours.
The second setting of 100 lumens for 6 hours is accessed by softly pressing the rubber button switch.

The LED is a Cree RXE Q-4 and is controlled by a microprocessor for a constant light output.  When battery juice is running low, the LED will flicker to let you know that is time for new batteries.
The unit comes with two Energizer AA batteries, a lanyard and a soft nylon holster.  At an even six inches long, the light is quite portable and also features a clip to attach it to your belt or waistband.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/terralux.jpg)


It is very similar to the popular 3 watt 80 lumens Ray-O-Vac Sportsman Xtreme (but is slightly longer as the click tail cap needs more room for the mechanism), and the head is smaller with a small orange peel reflector.

Due to the small reflector the beam throws quite a flood despite the 220 lumens figure.  Small reflectors donít really have much throw no matter how many lumens you make the light puts out. However, it is quite adequate for most chores inside a house and practical, too, for walking the dog or a walk in the woods.

LIGHTSTAR AT 20 YARDS WITH THE 220 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/terra220.jpg)


LIGHTSTAR WITH THE 100 LUMENS SETTING

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/terra100.jpg)




The really nice thing about these lights are that they are very inexpensive to feed as they use common AA batteries. As I use rechargeable AA batteries in all my lights, it is even more inexpensive to use.
The dark green anodized body is quite resistant to scratches as the light is still like new even after a couple months of sharing my pocket with keys and coins.

Cost of the light varies depending where you buy it, but it is around $35 to $40 USD; your best bet is to Google it to see who has a special on it.
I like this light to the point of recommending it to anybody that is looking for a light with these characteristics.  The light is as good as the Ray-O-Vac Sportsman with the added power of the 220 lumen setting.
Cheers.
Black Bear




Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on February 17, 2009, 12:44:48 PM
WHEN A LUMEN IS NOT A LUMEN

A lumen is not a lumen when somebody intends to throw a big bunch of them out of a small reflector the size of a dime or nickel. At least it seems to be that way.
It used to be easy to tell the power of a light by the lumens figure, not anymore. You could be an experience user of lights, say a policeman that had used for years a 200 lumens Magchager and is well acquainted with its capabilities. Now he reads about this small light the size of a thumb that also outputs 200 lumens and is all excited to get the new marvel.
He does and is promptly disappointed because the small light seems to throw a good amount of light, but all close by, and is nothing that can compare with his duty Magcharger that can illuminate objects at 100 yards.

Besides emitters in the 200 lumens bracket can kill themselves with the heat that they produce when they are used in small lights with poor heat sinking. It is mostly a novelty thing and it should be used with caution. Some of them come in lights with multiple settings, and that is fine when the literature advice you to use the 200 lumens sparingly, and you follow that advice.

To illustrate the point, here are a couple of pictures of beam shots at 20 yards, you can clearly see the superiority of the Bear Cub (reflector size 2Ē) over the Lightstar 220, (reflector the size of a dime)  even when both lights are rated at 220 lumens.

LIGHTSTAR 220 LUMENS AT 20 YARDS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/terra220.jpg)

BEAR CUB 220 LUMENS AT 20 YARDS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bc220one.jpg)
   

Some manufacturers wishing to quote big numbers are now putting clusters of these small reflectors on duty size flashlights. Mind you these clusters that are from three to four are still all small reflectors with limited throw.
So, somebody putting a cluster of four reflectors in a big head can claim 800 lumens, but you know better now, knowing that those 200 lumens for each reflector are not really behaving like real lumens!

Unfortunately I donít have one of those lights to prove the point. But I can get my own cluster of lights in the 200 lumens bracket, and demonstrate by picture what can you expect.
I have here two of the Lightstar220 lumens, plus a Fenix P3D of 205 lumens and an Ultra Fire with Rebel emitter of 200 lumens, all of which together in a cluster will throw the figure of 845 lumens.
The opposite number is a Black Bear 720 lumens flashlight, a light that is 10Ē long and weights 24 oz. and uses a 2Ē reflector that can throw several hundred of yards with a strong white light.

HERE IS THE PICTURE OF THE CONTENDERS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/clustervsonereflector.jpg)

The distance for both beam shots is in this case 35 yards to the target (The no trespassing sign tacked in the tree). The camera is 20 yards from the target.

CLUSTER OF REFLECTORS 845 LUMENS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/clusterreflectors.jpg)


BLACK BEAR 720 LUMENS ONE REFLECTOR 2Ē

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/onereflector720.jpg)

Observe how the beam of the 720 lumens light travels beyond the range of the cluster lights, illuminating objects that the cluster lights are not capable of showing.
So, if you are in the market for a new light, this use of small reflectors in clusters to boost lumens figures is something you should be aware off.

Cheers

 Black Bear


Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on March 03, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
NEW BULB FOR THE BOREALIS FLASHLIGHT
750 LUMENS FOR 75 MINUTES

As you may know the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight is the most powerful military/police flashlight in use today.

The Borealis will make 1050 lumens for 50 minutes on rechargeable batteries. Now a new bulb is available which will run the light for 75 minutes with a drop of only 300 lumens.

Lights in use by police today are the Magcharger, the Stingers, the SL 20 up to 200 lumens, the Ultra Stinger-295 lumens, the Pelican 7060-135 lumens, and the Fenix TK series up to 240 lumens.

Military forces use a variety of Surefires as weapon lights with 120 lumens and hand held like the Surefire M-4, 350 lumens and the Surefire M-6 at 500 lumens.
So, the above statement of the Borealis been the most powerful is not an exaggeration, many are been used daily by police and many are doing tour of duty in Afghanistan and Iraq.

What the new bulb does is extend the run time to 75 minutes without reducing drastically the output.

As no other duty flashlight with the same lumens is available, I decided to conduct a shoot out against a big two million candlepower spotlight, the one at hand was an almost new Brikmann Q beam Max million II (two million candlepower) with a reflector of five inches wide and a big bulb of 75 watt.
All this in competition to a bean sized 30 watt bulb and two inch reflector of the Borealis.

DAVID AND GOLIATH

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/davidvsgoliath.jpg)


FIVE INCH VERSUS TWO INCH

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/5inchesvs2.jpg)


This particular Borealis has a Light Stippled reflector, a reflector designed to give a good balance between flood and throw, but given the semi custom character of the Borealis three other reflectors are available, smooth for maximum throw, orange peel for just a little less throw but more flood (also called side spill) and a medium stippled reflector designed for a big flood but with the range limited to 100 yards.

As the night was bitterly cold I decided to take the pictures and shoot the beams right out of my second story kitchen window, with the short tripod legs resting in the kitchen sink.
The target is the white and blue cabana which is the second building in the picture after the fence.

The target is 74 yards from my window, with back trees as much as 85 yards (they are still visible with both lights).

Due to the big reflector in the spot light, the beam is concentrated in the center of the picture and illumination from the side spill is not as great as it is with the Borealis 750 lumens bulb.

Observe both pictures and you will see more area illuminated by the Borealis 750 lumens bulb, than is illuminated by the two million candlepower spotlight.
Still the intensity of both beams is similar at the center of the target area.

Q-BEAM MAX TWO MILLION

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/qbmaxmill2.jpg)

BOREALIS 750 LUMENS 75 MINUTES BULB

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/750lumenssmoothrefl.jpg)


In conclusion the new Borealis bulb of 750 lumens is worthy for those that will want a run time of 75 minutes. Even after loosing 300 lumens the Borealis still is the most powerful flashlight used by the police and the military.

The light can be ordered with the 1050 lumens bulb installed and the spare as the 750 lumens or vice-versa.  You can also order the reflector most appropriate for you work, the only light in the Industry that offers you a choice of four reflectors.

Cheers.

Black Bear






Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: turkeynutz on March 03, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
Sweeeet! O0 But I bet that wears out a battery right quick huh?
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on March 03, 2009, 03:45:25 PM
Sweeeet! O0 But I bet that wears out a battery right quick huh?

Have you checked the prices on some of these lights  :shock:
For the amount of time they burn you would think they would be cheaper.Lord knows Bandit and Valley creek have lights about the same price yet they burn alot longer.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: turkeynutz on March 03, 2009, 04:41:41 PM
Figures.... I use a mini-mag. works good for me. O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on March 03, 2009, 07:48:33 PM
My 2D Mag worked well enough.I then bought a 4D mag for shining the tree and us a 2AA Mag for walking.Add rechargeable batteries and BAM!!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: turkeynutz on March 03, 2009, 11:08:57 PM
There you have it. O0 Like buyen a 1200 dollar bow when you can get the same kill with a 300 dollar one! O0 O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Techno on March 14, 2009, 12:28:02 AM
There you have it. O0 Like buyen a 1200 dollar bow when you can get the same kill with a 300 dollar one! O0 O0


This here light is better suited for coon hunting.
http://www.banditlights.com/lights/2020_volt_box.htm

Try and get the time out of those "overpriced" flashlights  ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: turkeynutz on March 14, 2009, 12:59:50 AM
Not too shabby. Iremember my dad had a Karosine light for years to hunt by.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on December 25, 2009, 12:45:05 PM
Hi guys,
I am still around, just busy trying to make a living.

I wish everybody a MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on December 25, 2009, 01:28:48 PM
Hi guys,
I am still around, just busy trying to make a living.

I wish everybody a MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
  O0 Hey, great to see ya back, bb!  O0 Same to you and everyone!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on January 04, 2010, 10:48:30 PM
SOLARFORCE L-2 LED FLASHLIGHT
5 FUNCTION MODULE

I have lately been using some components of Solarforce flashlights to make me a couple of tactical lights (to use in a Remington 1100 shotgun and in a Kalashnikov rifle).
I bought a couple of loose bodies, heads, and modules, and for the remote cable switch I used a couple of Aimshot tail caps with pressure pads.
The modules are simple one function 200 lumen (or so) R-2ís, and have enough throw to make 50 yard shots possible.  As the shotgun and rifle are intended for home defense, 50 yards are all I needed.
The bodies were intended for CR123 batteries and I loaded them with red Surefire batteries before mounting them on a Weaver 1Ē ring and clamping it to Picattinyís rails in the long guns.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/1100noflash.jpg)


More recently I received a Solarforce L-2 five function flashlight. It also uses the R-2 module and sports a reverse clicky tail cap, which, when activated, goes to the last function (or level) that was stored in the memory.
The levels are full power (about 200 lumens), medium power (about 100 lumens) low power (about 40 lumens), strobe in the 200 lumen level, and SOS also in the 200 lumen level.
To activate each level, you just press softly on the tail cap.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/solarforcel-2.jpg)

The claims that I have seen advertised for the lumen output are much higher than the ones I am estimating here, but these estimates are based on my vast use of lights and in direct comparison with my Fenix TK-11 Q-5 flashlight that is billed as a 225 lumen light.

This wild throw of numbers of lumens is because the emitters are measured in Integrated Sphere Spectotometers without the reflector, head or lens, and are of course much higher than when the flashlight is used with these in place.
The true out-the-front numbers are much lower due to losses from the reflector and reflection from the lens.

The Solarforce model I have comes with the larger internal diameter body that will accept 18650 Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries, as well as the RC123ís and the rechargeable RCR123ís.
Having several 18650 batteries and a charger, I prefer to use the large Lithium Ion rechargeable battery.
Fortunately for those that will want to use the light on a rifle or shotgun, the Weaver 1Ē ring clamps to the 18650 body without a problem.

Prices of body components or entire lights vary depending where you purchase them.  Your best bet is to Google the Solarforce name and see what is available and where at the time of your search.
I have been using the Solarforce L-2 for the last two weeks in my pocket and I donít care for the sharp crenellated bezel that is very rough in my pocketís liner. It was bothering me so much that I finally removed it in favor of a Z-32 Surefire bezel that I had in my spare parts box.

The strobe function is used in tactical lights with the hope it will bother the opponent more than the straight beam.  To me it is of no value as a deterrent, but it is a good function to have if you ever are in need to attract attention and are unable to call for help.

I wanted to take some beam shots but the snow here has been so bothersome lately (we had 26 inches on the ground) and prevented me from doing so. In any case, the beam is so close to the beam shots I have made with other 200 lumen R-2ís that you can see them in the post titled ďThe 200 lumens battle,Ē and you can imagine the beams to be the same.
Cheers
Black Bear
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on January 05, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
I think it's time I taught all of you how to buy pants. If you're a guy it's very important that you wear them.

If you don't have any you have to go out and get some. I'll teach you how.

OK, first find a store that sells pants.  

Then you have to go to the store to get those pants. You can take a car, or walk or take public transportation or even ride a bike.

OK, second when you get to the store make sure they really do sell pants. What you have to do then is go find someone who works there and ask them where their pants are located.

Sometimes, they'll lie so be extra careful, if you have to, make the salesman take you to the pants.

OK, third, once you find the pants you have to put them on. This is done by first taking off your pants and putting the new ones on. You have to first unbutton, unzip or unfasten the pants you have on and then you have to take them off your body.

Make sure you take them off one leg at a time. If you try taking them off two, three or four legs at a time you might fall down and hurt yoursef.

OK, now that you have your old pants off you must put on the new ones. You do this by putting one leg in at a time. I prefer left leg first, but you must experiment yourself to figure out which leg works best for you.

Then you must put the other leg in and pull them up as far as they can go.

Now this next part is very important. You must next secure them to your body.
You do this by using the clasp, buttons or zippers. DO NOT try and secure these pants until you have them on all the way.

Then you must go to the cashier and pay for the pants. If you don't know how to do this, take someone with you who does. I'll do thread on how to pay for pants at a later date.

Once you have the pants on and they are secure you can now go out in your pants and walk around. You do this by putting one leg in front of the other. I'll do a thread on how to walk at a later date.

OK, there you have it. I'm now going to go to several other boards I belong to and put this exact same thread up to show everyone how smart I am.

Stay tuned for my next threads on...

How to pick your nose.

and  

How to give your goldfish an enema.

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on January 06, 2010, 09:29:56 AM
WOW!  :shock:  I had no idea that there was that much to it!  Thanks!!!  O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on January 06, 2010, 09:56:56 AM
WOW!  :shock:  I had no idea that there was that much to it!  Thanks!!!  O0
  :shock: O0 Yeah on that! 200 and 200+ lumens kind of staggers this old Indian's mind!  :shock: You sure don't see lights anywhere near that good in stores!

Bo, that was good!  ;D ;D ;D ;D bb84 has to break it down to simple terms for me, too.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on January 06, 2010, 10:07:49 AM
THE BEAR CUB
SMALL LIGHT BIG PERFORMANCE

Not long ago to get magnum illumination out of a flashlight, I had to drop down the tube, six of the big D batteries on a Maglite 6 D size.
That the light weights three pounds one ounce and measures 19 Ĺ inches was just incidental to the use if I wanted to get a really good, powerful beam.

Later Surefire come up with small lights that could take two and three or four small but powerful 123ís camera batteries, some of those lights, come up and surpass the 181 lumens of the big Maglite 6 D.
I am thinking now of the specialty tactical light than Surefire have as the M-4 that uses four of the 123 batteries for 225 lumens for one hour run time. The M-4 was made famous by been used in the CSI Las Vegas series.
Incidentally the M-4 is not precisely inexpensive, costing $330 USD from Surefire or their dealers.

The only problem is that the little 3 volts batteries are quite expensive, and using four of them for one hour run time can cost you $8.00 for that hour.
And that is if you buy them at discount over the Internet, when purchased in the camera stores (such as Wal Mart) the little 3 volts batteries cost as much as $4 each.

So a light of the size of the Surefire M-4 (9 inches long) was highly desired if it could be made to run on rechargeable batteries, to avoid the big battery expense of the M-4.

Enter the Bear Cub, a nine inches light, with a 13 oz. weight that is rechargeable and uses Lithium Ion batteries.
This little light makes 220 lumens for 90 minutes of run time, and then recharges its two batteries with a fast charger that is included, in three and a half hours.
The Lithium Ion batteries can be recharged up to 1,000 times and when they eventually get depleted can be replaced with $30.

HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE  BEAR CUB LIGHT, NEXT TO THE SUREFIRE M-4.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/eme4nbcub.jpg)

AND HERE NEXT TO THE MAGLITE 6 D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/mag6dpic.jpg)

And here a couple of beam shots at 26 yards for comparison.

MAGLITE 6 D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/maglite6dbeam.jpg)

BEAR CUB

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bearpeqenobeam.jpg)

Yes the little rechargeable Bear Cub is characterized for an intense white light, and a run time of 90 minutes, all in a small size that can fit in any glove compartment or trench coat pocket.
Best Wishes
Black Bear







Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on January 06, 2010, 10:15:44 AM
 :shock:Wow! Your BEAR CUB is awesome, bb!  O0 O0 O0 O0 And a lot cheaper to operate!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on January 07, 2010, 05:48:24 PM
Hello boys and girls!!

Welcome to Story Time with Bohica!!

Once upon a time.....

There was a wealthy man from Texas. His name was Mr. Rich and he had made millions of dollars in the oil industry.

He owned hundreds and hundreds of oil wells all over Texas,

One day his biggest and best oil well caught on fire. He was losing hundreds of thousands of dollars of profit for everyday it was burning.

He called Red Adair, the most famous and best oil well fire fighter in the whole wide world.

Red said he could put out the fire, but it would cost Mr. Rich 1 million dollars.

Mr. Rich was made very angry when he heard this, because Mr. Rich hated to part with any of his money. He slammed down the telephone and said he would never pay that amount.

For the rest of the day, he called every single oil well fire fighter in the yellow pages and they all told him that it would cost 1 million dollars to put out the fire.

Finally he was down to the very last one to call. The name of the this company was "Juan's Oil Well Fire Fighting and Fruit Picking Co."

He dialed the number and Juan answered the phone and Mr. Rich told Juan his story and asked how much Juan would charge.

Juan thought about it for a minute and said, he could do it for 1 thousand dollars.

Mr. Rich couldn't believe his ears. He said...

"Juan, you're hired, when can you get here?"

Juan said, he'd be there in an hour.

So Mr. Rich got up and went down to the blazing oil well and waited.

About 45 minutes later , Mr. Rich saw a large dust cloud out in the distance. As he watched it he realized it was getting closer.

He took a pair of binoculars and looked at the dust cloud and he saw that it was being caused by a speeding pick up truck.

He looked closer and saw it was a 1967 Chevy pick up and it was going at least 120 miles an hour and it had 50 Mexicans hanging on to it for dear life.

He saw that the driver of the truck was Juan and he was driving the truck directly at Mr. Rich.

Mr. Rich thought the truck was going to slow down, but instead it only went faster.

At the last second the truck swerved out of the way and continued on past Mr. Rich and straight towards the oil well fire.

The truck drove straight into the fire and came to a stop.

With that, all 50 Mexicans jumped out and started stamping their feet really fast. They stamped their feet so fast and quick that they completely put the fire out in less than 2 minutes.

Mr. Rich was speechless. He had never in his entire life seen anything like that before.

He walked up to Juan, who's shoes were still smoking and slapped him on the bank and said...

"Sir, that's just about the most incredible thing I have ever seen in my entire life."

Mr. Rich took out his money and paid Juan the 1 thousand dollars and said, "You've certainly earned it!"

Juan said thankyou.

Then Mr. Rich looked at his now safe and money making oil well and said...

"Well Juan, what are you going to do now now with that 1 thousand dollars?"

Juan looked up and said...

"The first thing I'm going to do is get the f**king breaks on that truck fixed."

THE END.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on January 09, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on January 18, 2010, 08:00:40 PM
I saw this neat thing on "Star Trek: the Next Generation" the other night.

Not only does it illuminate in all weather condition's, in all types of light and even in total darkness, it magnifies and it also allows you to see inside the persons clothes.

I was hoping we'd get a product evaluation of that soon.

 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Anybody see the "Jerky Boys" movie?

Hey fruity a**!!? Hey buddy, where you going?

COME BACK SHANE!!!!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: black bear 84 on January 30, 2010, 08:03:14 PM
THE BOREALIS FLASHLIGHT
1050 LUMENS

Five years ago the Borealis flashlight was conceived to be the most powerful military/police flashlight in the world. At 1050 lumens the beam of light is very similar to a two million candlepower spotlight, all that power cased in a 12 Ĺ inches long, 28 oz. light, that will run for 50 minutes before needing a recharge. Then the light uses a fast RC charger that does the job of recharging the high current batteries in 90 minutes.

Five years ago everybody was in awe of the Surefire M-6, a military/police light that makes 500 lumens for 20 minutes run time on six disposable 123ís batteries, at a cost of almost $12 per twenty minutes run.
When the agency pays for the batteries, all is well, but for the civilians that wanted to have those mega lumens of light, there was no option. Black Bear Flashlights wanted to produce a rechargeable light that surpassed the M-6 and still be affordable for those with mortgages and families, and the result was the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

The light was conceived to make use of the Maglite 3 D  shell that is available anywhere, that way after years of hard use, the shell can be replaced for less than $20 USD and in ten minutes of the ownerís time.
The super-bulb that is almost 3 Ĺ amps needs some very powerful batteries; those nine AA batteries of high current are housed inside a Rolls Royce battery carrier that has also a charging port on the negative side. Plugging the RC fast charger in this port for 90 minutes, will recharge the powerful AA Nimh batteries.

THE ROLLS ROYCE BATTERY CARRIER AND THE RC FAST CHARGER

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/bbcharger.jpg)



The Borealis also has some especial components to cope with the increased heat from the bulb. A ceramic switch/bulb holder, a solid aluminum reflector and a Pyrex lens, take care of the high temperature issue.


The BOREALIS is the highest intensity incandescent flashlight available in the market. Some HIDís lights throw more lumens, but those are considered searchlights and not flashlights; as a HID can take as much as 30 seconds to start up, they are NOT instantaneous as the incandescent flashlights are.

HERE ARE SOME COMPARISON BEAM SHOTS AT 35 YARDS WITH THE MOST POWERFUL MILITARY/POLICE FLASHLIGHTS.
THE CONTENDERS FROM LEFT;
MAGLITE 3 D, MAGCHARGER, ULTRA STINGER, SUREFIRE M-6, AND BOREALIS

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/contenderslig.jpg)


MAGLITE 3 D (the most popular police flashlight)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/tresd.jpg)


MAGCHARGER

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/magchagerr.jpg)


ULTRA STINGER

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/ultra.jpg)


SUREFIRE M-6

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/suremesixli.jpg)


BOREALIS  RECHARGEABLE


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/borealisluz.jpg)





Black Bear Flashlights spends several hours on each light working on fixing all the internal resistance issues and pro-gold all contacts and components for an increased conductivity. This results in their trademark of intense WHITE light as more voltage reaches the super-bulb. This bulb is not a flashlight bulb, but one made for powerful medical instruments.

THE BOREALIS ROYAL MODEL, WITH THE NEW LOW PROFILE STAINLESS STEEL CRENELLATED BEZEL AND QUICK DETACH SWIVEL.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/borealisroyalbox.jpg)


Police officers have adopted the Borealis for its tremendous throw and flood capabilities; hunters have abandoned their spotlights for the easy carrying of the Borealis, and civilians looking for a powerful light for the car or for home defense are flocking to the Borealis flashlight.

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on January 31, 2010, 01:42:56 PM
  :shock: O0 Awesome light, BB! How much are they, including the charger?
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on January 31, 2010, 10:50:54 PM
Im curious if these lites are for coon huntin how in the hell am i supposed to mount them on my hat
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on February 01, 2010, 09:31:58 AM
Im curious if these lites are for coon huntin how in the hell am i supposed to mount them on my hat
Tape or hot glue it on the top of yer head and cut a hole through your hat. That, or use some bailing wire, lots of it.  :wink:
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: 2Nutz on February 01, 2010, 01:51:21 PM
Like worken on a chevy huh John! ;D ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 01, 2010, 05:45:53 PM
Well as you know the 3 most common flunderpases are skig, hijk and fredtyh.

Now, the fredtyh is the one where the drhys sticks into the okmn, but only on months that start with an R and have 24 Tuesdays in them. So I don't recommend using the fretyh, unless you think that a blopstum will be close by, and it should be a blopstum of at least 4 orders to the magnitude of titicaca. Anything less will be a waste of time. Anything more will cause the dringtup to stick to the roof of your mouth, requiring surgery and a name and possible sex change.

The hijk is very easy to use and has a following of both women and children and dogs named Smegma. I've seen it take it's toll on many a yyoppth and I can tell you that it's not a pretty sight. I believe the hijk should be used in conjunction with the rapatatalingjoust. That's not to say you can't use it without one, but it's been my considerable experience and expertise that a rapatatalingjoust will be a bigger problem than a solution to the issue of streplom inside the claghoe.

I prefer the skig, because it's found in both fresh and salt water and most women will be aroused by the smell. Unless of course they have been already exposed to trutoply hunchleggs. Then all bet's are off and you should seek medical attention at once. The biggest factor in choosing this as your quetbongklob is that it will never need to be popphugtryfactored. And we all know how much a pain in the butt that is.

Well I hope this has helped you to decide and don't forget to visit my web page where in addition to this I sell Russian and Filipino women who are looking for American husbands.

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 01, 2010, 06:20:17 PM
Tape or hot glue it on the top of yer head and cut a hole through your hat. That, or use some bailing wire, lots of it.  :wink:

Or actually buy a product from someone who knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on February 01, 2010, 06:40:05 PM
So let me get this right  im supposed to buy a 200 dollar lite that looks like it came outta the clearance isle at walmart then duct tape it to The Hat so i can coonhunt ???       I think i will stick with my Raw Dawg lite that can light a tree up to the top and lasts me all nite instead of these fancy lites that hardly last long enuff to get the dogs outta the box O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 01, 2010, 08:07:45 PM
So let me get this right  im supposed to buy a 200 dollar lite that looks like it came outta the clearance isle at walmart then duct tape it to The Hat so i can coonhunt ???       I think i will stick with my Raw Dawg lite that can light a tree up to the top and lasts me all nite instead of these fancy lites that hardly last long enuff to get the dogs outta the box O0

Also.....

Considering that every police department I know of REQUIRES their officers to PAY FOR THEIR OWN FLASHLIGHTS OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS.....

I'm trying to figure out which police officers have ADOPTED the Borealis. We have over 1000 officers with the city of Atlanta PD and I don't know a single one that owns a Borealis. Since I'm on the SWAT team and have combined law enforcement and military experience going back to 1980.....I'm trying to figure who these "EXPERTS" are.
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I wish they'd add a new little guy. One who's yelling...BS!!!!

Cause this is so deep you need chest waders.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on February 01, 2010, 09:30:37 PM

I wish they'd add a new little guy. One who's yelling...BS!!!!

Cause this is so deep you need chest waders.



How about these.....

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Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 01, 2010, 10:10:43 PM
OH YEA, THOSE WILL WORK FOR SURE!!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on February 02, 2010, 09:33:03 AM
Our dept. furnishes rechargeable Maglites that work pretty good. I carry a light of my own for backup, a military design shaped Streamlight Survivor LED.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: 2Nutz on February 02, 2010, 10:25:58 AM
I may be wrong but doesnt SWAT stand for Single White Atlantian Transvestites?  ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :roll:
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on February 02, 2010, 02:36:55 PM
I may be wrong but doesnt SWAT stand for Single White Atlantian Transvestites?  ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :roll:

Something like that. :roll:
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 02, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
I may be wrong but doesnt SWAT stand for Single White Atlantian Transvestites?  ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :roll:

Yep!!

And I'm gonna' send you a few for your birthday!!

 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :-P :roll:
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: 2Nutz on February 02, 2010, 04:38:19 PM
I do need some target practice with my 12 ga. O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 03, 2010, 06:35:42 PM
All bsing aside.

HOW? Can you take a company seriously when the owner WON'T give you his last name?

You don't have to be a cop or Sherlock Holmes to see that something is amiss here.

Just show up one day and cut and past a bunch of crap and then think we're going to fall for it.

His bs may have worked at other boards, but Son this is Gut Pile!!!

Where we'll feed it right back to you!!!!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on February 03, 2010, 08:09:41 PM
I agree completely if ya wanna peddle yer crap find some other suckas or at least be a active member in other areas
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on February 03, 2010, 08:16:11 PM
I agree completely if ya wanna peddle yer crap find some other suckas or at least be a active member in other areas


Well isn't that the Plott calling the bear 84 black.................  Uhhh, wait.......  ???  ???
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 03, 2010, 09:27:56 PM
Our dept. furnishes rechargeable Maglites that work pretty good. I carry a light of my own for backup, a military design shaped Streamlight Survivor LED.

I've got a rechargeable Maglite, but had to pay for it myself.

It's a good light, but as plott said we like smaller these days! :wink: O0

Just to set the record straight regarding flashlghts for law enforcement.

There is no one perfect light out there, everybody chooses what works best for them. I've got a Streamlight Stinger that works well for me. It's got plenty of light and is small enough to carry and use at the same time your handgun is drawn.

Surefire makes one called the Defender that is really good and several guys I know have that one. I may get it one day or the Browning Tactical Hunter, Huntmaster. I've never seen that one used by police but a friend had it this past deer season and it lit things pretty good too.

Not to big and plenty of light and you can buy it from places you can return it if something goes wrong and KNOW you won't have to worry about someone taking your money and running.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTIN
Post by: Juandogg on February 03, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
uh since when have i tried to sell ya anything  ???
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTIN
Post by: Big58cal on February 04, 2010, 12:36:14 PM
uh since when have i tried to sell ya anything  ???

Man, you try to sell us your B.S. every day!  :roll:
You're almost as bad as Brobama.....  :shock:









;D O0 ;D O0 ;D O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on February 04, 2010, 06:38:07 PM
Well guess im in good company then hangin round you  ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 04, 2010, 07:32:20 PM
One more thing?

How does one come up with a name like black bear flashlights?

How do you equate flashlights to bears?

When you think of flashlights you envision many adjectives to describe them, but I can't think of any time, when someone said flashlight, that my first thoughts were....

BLACK BEAR!!!!
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Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: 2Nutz on February 04, 2010, 07:47:59 PM
I say why use a flashlight! Burn it down! If you burn it they will come! :shock: ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 08, 2010, 10:02:31 PM
Wow!

 No response!

I wonder why?

Hope it wasn't something I SAID?
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Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 16, 2010, 10:14:00 PM
It's 15 degrees with the wind chill and I'm staying in tonight. I finished all my work and for shi*s and giggles I read ALL our good friend bb84's posts here.

I think it's time to pi** on this fire and call in the dogs and go home.

bb84 says he bought a car from a cop that still had it's blue lights mounted in the radiator vicinity and and pa system in it.

 He says he took this car up to the Adirondaks where he foiled some kind of road side ambush by turning on the blue lights and using the pa system and hitting them with his big bad flashlight beam.

There is not a police department anywhere in the United States that sells it's cars with blue lights still in them. Anyone who says different is a damn liar. PERIOD. It's against the law in all states for private citizens to use blue lights in their vehicles and any agency that sold those lights would be in more trouble than is known. One of many bs factors bb84 shows in his posts.

Numbnuts says our SWAT and Special Forces uses the M-6 Guardian. REALLY?

When I was an army airborne ranger and later a SWAT cop, we used WHATEVER we had at the time. A light no matter how bright can be DETRIMENT to your life in a high risk operation and the last thing you want is using a dynamic breeching technique that doesn't allow for LATTITUDE!

I don't know where you got your training and your expertise but you wouldn't last one minute as a cop or a soldier.

What EXPERT owns a Remington 742 AND puts three different scopes on it?

I like the 742 it's killed a buttload of deer, but if you need to buy three scopes for one middle of the road rifle, it doesn't say much for your hunting or shooting skills.

AND.....

Since you also enthrall us with your "Being the Official Tracker" of your bowhunting club, I'd have thought you would drop them where you hit them.

YEP!! His rules are to keep the area unpolluted and he only does his tracking AFTER DARK!!! It keeps the human odor down.

Hey Sparky!? You're hunting on Long Island. There are people EVERYWHERE! Keeping odor out is impossible and since many of us hunt in areas that have high human density and since we are successful, we know what we're talking about.

BTW....

Why do you have a million flashlights and field glasses, but you always show the same deer and bear head in your photo's?

Is it because those are the only ones you've killed or are they the only ones you could afford to buy at the garage sale?

You say you came back from South America in 1970? I don't think you've ever been south of Staten Island.

You show up one day running your mouth like you're a cross between Jack O'Connor and Mitch Werbel. You just toss your trash and think we're going to eat it up without first checking you out.

Plus, you put this same crap up on other boards at the same time you put it here. Did you really think we wouldn't notice?

I'm saying right here and now that you are a fraud. I don't believe ANY of your stories and you have done absolutely nothing to engender trust or empathy from anyone here.

We have been quite successful as hunters and fishermen and outdoorsman.

Long before your long winded horse crap showed up, WE knew how to hunt and fish and take care of ourselves.

I'm 50 years old and since the age of 20 I have had only two jobs. I've been a soldier and a cop. I'm still one and plan on being one until I can't walk anymore. The ONLY thing you've shown me here is that you're trying to con us and get us to fall for your garbage.


And guess what?

YOU FAILED!



Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: nOnAmE on February 17, 2010, 10:12:02 AM
Oh boy what was that all about?  I think I'm missing something here. ???
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: 2Nutz on February 17, 2010, 12:18:36 PM
Dam Bo! ??? ??? You got something to say? :shock:
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on February 17, 2010, 12:39:21 PM
Dam Bo! ??? ??? You got something to say? :shock:

Nope, I think he already said it.  ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on February 17, 2010, 06:09:33 PM
Oh boy what was that all about?  I think I'm missing something here. ???

Somethings in life are real simple. Black and white. This is one of those things.

Eventhough I've never met anyone here face to face I consider all of you good friends. When someone deliberately comes here and lies to my friends with the express purpose of STEALING their money, I get mad.

One day, out of the blue, someone shows up here and on many other boards treating us all like we're children. He tells us about field glasses. He tells us about compasses, he tells us about hunting and the outdoors and of course tells us about his flashlight.

He only comes here when it suits him and makes no attempt at conversation or developing any type of a rapport with us. HE'S the expert on everything, but we know absolutely nothing ABOUT him.

He won't give us his last name. Would anyone honestly consider making a high dollar purchase from someone who only tells you his first name is Juan?

He posts all these photos that have been POSED not taken by hunters, hunting or outdoorsman in the wild. He has ALL these photos but NOTHING from the great outdoors?

It's all in someones backyard. Is that his idea of being outdoors? When we were kids we had sleepovers in the back yard, but not as adults, unless you're VERY weird.

His flashlight is not HIS. It's a Mag-Lite that he has beefed up to make more powerful. Does Mag-Lite know this? Maybe THAT'S why he won't tell us his last name, because he's using another companies product without their permission.

He buys a car that was sold to him by his cop friend. Cop friends car was a police car prior to being sold to Black Bear. Now it's a PRIVATELY owned vehicle with no legal authority that it had while it was a police car. THEREFORE ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT IN THE CAR SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED PRIOR TO IT'S SELLING TO A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

ESPECIALLY ANY EMERGENCY LIGHTS. IT IS ILLEGAL FOR ANY PRIVATE CITIZEN TO DISPLAY EMERGENCY LIGHTS ON THEIR VEHICLE(Red and blue lights)

Those lights would have been removed prior to sale. But Mr Bear would have you believe he stopped a car hijacking when he turned on the BLUE LIGHTS in the car he'd bought from his policeman friend.

THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.

Otherwise...

He's facing felony charges in New York, for impersonating a police officer.

Another reason not to give us his name.

For the record, I don't believe his story about stopping the car hijacking in any case, it's just one more bs story in a long line of them.

He babbles like a retard about what SWAT and special forces units use. Well as y'all know I know a LITTLE something about that stuff and all I can say is....

BS AGAIN!

I could go on about his needing a NIGHTLIGHT in his tent when he goes camping or about his ONLY tracking wounded deer at night.

But, I don't want you to just take my word for it.

Go and read the 49 posts mr Bear has left us. Go to his website and look at the moron wearing the dark shades and open collar shirt exposing his manly chest, taking his flashlight and busting small branches with it.

Then taking a crappy looking .22 and shooting said flashlight. Why is the ONLY gun we see being used by this guy a real sorry pos, while all the POSED guns are well kept. Maybe because the POSED guns aren't his.

We all come here to enjoy ourselves and have a good time. I resent it when someone comes here and tries to take advantage of our good nature and fellowship. So that's why I went off on this douchebag.





Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: 2Nutz on February 17, 2010, 06:15:26 PM
Well thanks for getten our back Bo! O0 O0 I hear you on the BS too, like on other sites you got some jerk wad thinken he is all that and if you dont conform to their group your shuned! :knuppel2
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: nOnAmE on February 18, 2010, 12:01:14 PM
Lmao!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Okay thanks for the summary, Bo. O0

Hey BlackBear, do you care to rebut?
Silence, in this matter, is as good as an admission of guilt methinks.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on February 18, 2010, 07:09:10 PM
Hey BlackBear, do you care to rebut?
Silence, in this matter, is as good as an admission of guilt methinks.

You might see him here in a month or so, when he cruises in to post more stuff. :roll:

At first, we pretty much left him be.  You all know how we feel about "unauthorized advertising". :knuppel2  Since he wasn't advertising anything, just posting info, we left the stuff sit.  As time has gone on, the true nature of his posts have started to show. :roll:

It was getting about time to do something about it when Bo "took an interest".  :wink: ;D ;D  Figured we'd have a little fun and see if ol' Juan C. would come back with anything.

I think Bo just kinda got tired of stalking his prey and just went in for the kill to put him out of his misery.  :roll: ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on March 17, 2010, 08:51:42 PM
well, bb84, I see you stopped off here for a spell today. Why didn't you post something?

Flashlight got your tongue?

Scared some of them other boards you post on will have members come by here and see you for what you REALLY are?

Que te paso oso?

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on March 18, 2010, 07:55:12 AM
  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 Well said!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on March 18, 2010, 10:52:45 AM
Creo que es miedo.  O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on March 18, 2010, 07:10:20 PM
Creo que es miedo.  O0

Es la verdad!

El ososito es un cobarde!!!!
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on March 18, 2010, 07:22:18 PM
Es la verdad!

El ososito es un cobarde!!!!

 ;D ;D O0 O0

No creo que ťl estarŠ de regreso.  O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on March 18, 2010, 07:27:23 PM
Por cierto, no quiere decir ososita?  :wink:
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on March 19, 2010, 08:50:37 PM
OH MY GOD!!!

IT JUST DAWNED ON ME!!

Long Island is where Amityville is!!

That book and movie....The Amityville Horror!!

Also known as the AMITYVILLE HOAX!!!

bb84 is trying to sucker the same idiots who believed that stupid story into buying his bootleg Mag-Lite!!

Hey pendejo, why don't you use your great tracking skills and go find the monster at the Amityville Horror House....

Oh wait......

You sleep with a night light in your tent when you go camping, so I guess that makes you a panzie and keeps you from being the Official Ghost Hunter/Tracker of Long Island!

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Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on March 19, 2010, 10:09:20 PM
The Amityville Horror was real man! >:(  Same as these fine flashlights are!  :knuppel2 :knuppel2 :knuppel2



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Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Sticker Pt. on March 20, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
As I read this I think I have figured out why bohica has a problem with this. Its because bohica actually is jeolous of blackbear84 s insane knowledge of some of the awesomest lights ever. I have 3 of them and they have saved my life twice  once when I was invovled in a attempted carjacking and another time when I was tracking a wounded bear in the dark.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: ellwoodjake on March 20, 2010, 03:03:09 PM
I understand where you're coming from, Sticker!!! I thought winter would never end in my neck of the woods. No one had seen the sun for months. Until I got my Supernovaaurorasolarflare flashlight. I have since melted the snowpack and raised the average temperature by 20 degrees!!!!. Thank you Blackbear!!! O0
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on March 22, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
As I read this I think I have figured out why bohica has a problem with this. Its because bohica actually is jeolous of blackbear84 s insane knowledge of some of the awesomest lights ever. I have 3 of them and they have saved my life twice  once when I was invovled in a attempted carjacking and another time when I was tracking a wounded bear in the dark.

You don't mind if I call you liar and say you're full of it!

I'm sure I'm NOT the first.

I'm jealous of many things, but liars, cowards, crooks and losers are not 4 of them.

BTW...

Did your parents have ANY children who lived?

I own the Brooklyn Bridge. Want to buy it?

Unless you're bsing me....

In which case....

Nevermind.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: John Andrews on March 31, 2010, 12:55:19 PM
I accidentally shined the night sky with one of those flashlights and instantly burned a hole through the moon and reignited several dead stars.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Juandogg on September 14, 2010, 08:19:57 PM
I think this topic and a few others should get their own section   we need a hall of fame/shame
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on September 15, 2010, 03:54:07 PM
I agree.

Mr Bear snuck back here on September 10th, but left no words of wisdom. He was probably hoping we'd left or he was hoping someone might have pm'd him for info on his rip off.....I mean flash light.

It is kinda' sad though to think that people would not only read his garbage, but actually believe it.
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: Big58cal on September 16, 2010, 11:01:43 AM
It is kinda' sad though to think that people would not only read his garbage, but actually believe it.

BLASPHEMY!!!



>:( >:(  You take that back, you heathen!!  :knuppel2 :knuppel2

Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: 2Nutz on September 16, 2010, 02:46:55 PM
You would think that was Bo's exwife the way he got his cackles up huh! ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on September 16, 2010, 09:35:24 PM
BLASPHEMY!!!



>:( >:(  You take that back, you heathen!!  :knuppel2 :knuppel2



You think Juan performs human sacrifices to the flashlight god, in his backyard at night?
Title: Re: LIGHTS FOR HUNTING
Post by: bohicajuan on September 24, 2010, 10:01:35 PM
C'mon Juan!! Donde estas usted???