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Title: Long Range Rifles
Post by: .17HMRHUNTER on October 15, 2007, 06:54:54 PM
What Rifle do yall think is the most accurate out of the box??? under a 1000 dollars.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Big58cal on October 15, 2007, 08:03:55 PM
The one you can shoot the best. O0




Honestly, that's kind of a trick question.  There's some that you're going to be predisposed to thinking they're pieces of crap, and will shoot as such, even though they may be quite accurate.  On the other hand, there are some that truely are accurate straight out of the box.  There's also variations from one gun to the other, same make, model, caliber, etc.  Also, a custom shop gun (even though straight out of the box) will generally give better accuracy than a stock gun.  Then of course there's the "discount chain" guns that are sub-par.

My advice would be to do research and find out what caliber exactly you're looking for, and then figure out who makes guns in that caliber.  After that, then do more research and find out what people are saying about the different makes for that particular caliber. O0
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: MOSPARKY on October 15, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
Yeah, what BC said. Way too many variables. What are you calling long range?? To one guy 250 is reaching, while some don't start to worry about it tll we're talking 800 yds or more. What purpose will the rifle serve? light rounds can make dandy paper punches but piss poor performance on game, heavier rounds can be gamestoppers with a trajectory like artillery shells.
 Hence the reason so many shooters have multiple rifles, they become application specific. Everyone is in a constant quest for the elusive perfect round. Reloaders constantly tweek their favorite load, Wildcatters dream up entirely new rounds. If there were the perfect round or hands down most accurate, it would be the only one on the market.

 Give us a little more info on what you want to do with this rifle and maybe we can help point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Techno on October 15, 2007, 10:26:06 PM





 There's some that you're going to be predisposed to thinking they're pieces of crap, and will shoot as such, even though they may be quite accurate. 

Ahem...Ahemahem MARLIN....AHemAHEMAHEM  ;D
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: John Andrews on October 16, 2007, 10:27:31 AM
Ahem...Ahemahem MARLIN....AHemAHEMAHEM  ;D
  :shock: Techo must be chugging that cheap wine again.  ;D  ;D  ;D  SAVAGE may not be the prettiest gal on the block, but they shoot good for the money, as do Marlins, somewhat.  :wink: (Sneak poke at BC injected here.)  What the other fellas said above is solid advice.  O0
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: GaBowHunter on October 17, 2007, 09:13:26 AM
Browning A-Blot in 270 WSM
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Ks_Sniper on October 17, 2007, 12:28:34 PM
Well, I say not to worry about what round you want to shoot and get you a Thompson Center Encore. THEN you can decide what catridges you want. Interchangable barrels with an unlimited number of chamberings and every one I've ever shot was more accurate than I was. O0
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Big58cal on October 17, 2007, 01:35:25 PM
............... and every one I've ever shot was more accurate than I was. O0

Well, DUH!  That's kinda like a no-brainer. :roll:




Ah, come on man.  Why do you always have to make it so easy? ;D
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: John Andrews on October 18, 2007, 02:02:20 AM
Well, DUH!  That's kinda like a no-brainer. :roll:




Ah, come on man.  Why do you always have to make it so easy? ;D
  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Yeah, that was TOO easy!  ;D   
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Ks_Sniper on October 18, 2007, 02:37:17 PM
Ah, come on man.  Why do you always have to make it so easy? ;D

Cause if we didn't make it easy for ya, BC, you'd never get a poke in. :P :evil:
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Big58cal on October 18, 2007, 03:03:43 PM
I can understand making one every now and then easy for us KY boys, cause we're slow and all, but it's to the point it's like shooting fish in a barrel with you KS. O0 ;D :idiot2
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: bohicajuan on October 18, 2007, 06:30:36 PM
The one you can shoot the best. O0




Honestly, that's kind of a trick question.  There's some that you're going to be predisposed to thinking they're pieces of crap, and will shoot as such, even though they may be quite accurate.  On the other hand, there are some that truely are accurate straight out of the box.  There's also variations from one gun to the other, same make, model, caliber, etc.  Also, a custom shop gun (even though straight out of the box) will generally give better accuracy than a stock gun.  Then of course there's the "discount chain" guns that are sub-par.

My advice would be to do research and find out what caliber exactly you're looking for, and then figure out who makes guns in that caliber.  After that, then do more research and find out what people are saying about the different makes for that particular caliber. O0

Ditto!!

And just as MO said; what do you consider long range? Where I hunt, 200 yards is considered long range. Out West that range could easily double. If I were to be tied down to one brand with excellent out of the box accuracy; to me it would be one of the Savages' Model 10 tactical rifles. They're less than a grand and are very reliable. Then again, a quality gunsmith could take a used bolt action rifle and do work on it that would greatly increase it's accuarcy without breaking the bank.

No pun intended, but this is one of those loaded questions that has many different answers, and all of them could be right.



Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Ks_Sniper on October 19, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
I can understand making one every now and then easy for us KY boys, cause we're slow and all, but it's to the point it's like shooting fish in a barrel with you KS. O0 ;D :idiot2

;D Maybe I should move to KY. I'd fit right in. :uglystupid2
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Big58cal on October 19, 2007, 12:42:23 PM
;D Maybe I should move to KY. I'd fit right in. :uglystupid2

Nah, we'd make fun of ya' here too. ;D
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: .17HMRHUNTER on October 19, 2007, 10:38:15 PM
What do ya think about this http://www.savagearms.com/12vss.htm in 22-250. sorry I dont know how to make it a link.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Ks_Sniper on October 20, 2007, 12:29:37 PM
I love this site and it's members. Everyday is like a roast. Even when it's my turn, I still get tickled. O0
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: BBF on October 20, 2007, 07:25:57 PM
I just read an article in Rifle Shooter in regards to accurate cartridges.Without going into details,several of the people asked about this subject, all are either custom gunsmith's or in the bullet industry, picked the .308 Win as the most accurate round to work with.
I am talking hunting cartridges now, not varmint or benchrest weirdos.

A gunsmith can only do so much, if the barrel is crap and there are those out there, the game is over.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: .17HMRHUNTER on October 21, 2007, 11:11:43 AM
Sorry for not putting in more details. what I meant by a long range rifle was a gun to shoot coke cans ands cow birds at 250-300 yards. I was thinking a 22-250 or a 223. then I saw the 204 but it seems no one is impressed with it.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Big58cal on October 21, 2007, 08:35:12 PM
Actually, the .204 Ruger is a heck of a round.  It's humping along at over 4,000 f.p.s. if memory serves me correct.  The one bad thing I've heard about it though is that if you do A LOT of shooting, you'll shoot the barrel out eventually.

If you're just going to do some general plinking, it'd get the .223.  You can get the .223 in a W.S.S.M., but the cartridges are going to be more expensive.  Same thing with the .22-250.  With a .223, the ammo is relatively cheap and you can get a load of different bullet types.  Check into Kimber rifles and see if they make one in .223. O0  If you're not worried about follow up shots, like Ks_Sniper said, check into the Thompson Center guns.  They're single shot, break actions, but will flat clean somethings clock! O0

Then of course if you want something a little different, you could also check into the .17 Remington.  It's a center fire .17 cal.  Then of course there's the .22 Hornet and .222.  None of the 3 of these are as popular as the .223, so ammo cost and type may be a consideration. O0
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: BBF on October 22, 2007, 10:40:32 AM
I go with BC on this one. No telling how long the 204 is on the market, 20 cal is a weirdo. 22-250,  220 Swift are more then what you need. If you see a good  222 it is certainly worth a look as well as well as a Hornet
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: John Andrews on October 22, 2007, 10:56:14 AM
Yeah, the .204 seems to be a sorry flash in the pan for many owners. I shot next to one last year with my HMR. The .204 was owned and being shot by a pal that is a good shooter and a gunsmith.

Much to his disappointment and amazement, my .17 outshot his rifle. We were shooting at 100 meters. It wasn't even a contest, the .17 beat the pants off the .204.
Ol' Al sold the .204 shortly afterwards.
I think the new .17 centerfires are the up and coming good shooters, such as the .17 Fireball, not be be confused with the older .17 Remington centerfire. One drawback is that the new .17 Fireball won't have new brass for reloading until next year. So, it is going to require reloading factory loaded ammo after shooting.

Back to the .204, that had to be about the loudest rifle I have stood next to while it was being shot. Up until I was watching Al shoot his .204, I thought the round had a future. He informed me of other .204 owners that were very disappointed with the round, too.

For what I consider casual range varmint shooting of 200-300 yards, I think a .223 is a good choice, and cheap to shoot. The .17 Fireball would be a solid round to check out, too. Longer ranges are certainly easy to squeeze out of the same rounds, too. I should inject the nice to shoot .22/250 here, also.

For the longer ranges, I prefer a heavier killer, such as a .270, .308, or the good ol' .30/06. I have owned my share of the suggested calibers and have shot a lot of critters with most of the calibers listed, all with good results.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: BBF on October 22, 2007, 11:02:37 AM
Is the Fireball you mentioned the same round that Remington had put out years and years ago for their Bolt Action Pistol?? That pistol was years ahead  and sort of reminds my of the TC Contender types
( Hand Cannon) now.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: John Andrews on October 22, 2007, 11:03:35 AM
I go with BC on this one. No telling how long the 204 is on the market, 20 cal is a weirdo. 22-250,  220 Swift are more then what you need. If you see a good  222 it is certainly worth a look as well as well as a Hornet
  O0 Those are certainly great choices, and proven to be so. That's the thing, they are proven to be good shooters over a number of years.

I used to own a custom .218 Bee that was a riot to shoot and was good for varmints. One of my hunt along pals carried a .22 Hornet that did a surprisingly good job, too.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: John Andrews on October 22, 2007, 11:11:58 AM
Is the Fireball you mentioned the same round that Remington had put out years and years ago for their Bolt Action Pistol?? That pistol was years ahead  and sort of reminds my of the TC Contender types
( Hand Cannon) now.
Unless I am wrong, I think that's a different round. In fact, didn't they name the pistol the Fireball?
I always thought that one of the Remington Fireball pistols would be great to own, but never owned one. I did own one of the older models of the TC Contenders but wasn't greatly impressed. Perhaps if I owned varmint calibers instead of large calibers in the TC I would have kept it longer.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: Ks_Sniper on October 24, 2007, 12:10:57 PM
The .17 Fireball is new to the market and has been getting a suprising amount of good publicity from those that own it.

Personally, I'd go with a .20 Tactical if you want speed with ease of loading supplies. The .20 Tac is a .223 necked down to .20 and pushes those rounds well past 4,000fps.
Title: Re: Long Range Rifles
Post by: BBF on October 27, 2007, 12:32:26 PM
That Remington Pistol was called X or XP 100 that was chambered for the Fireball I recall. The stock was made from Nylon and looked similar to the Rem Nylon 66  in .22 Rim