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Title: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on October 30, 2008, 07:42:47 PM
Okay, so it's been about 3 weeks since I bought my AR and I think it's about time to get something new. :D
I just wanted something that I'd be able to put 300 rounds through and not miss the change spent for the ammo.

I've been leaning heavily towards the Walther P22 (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=58953&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=43804&isFirearm=Y) mainly because I think it's the best looking .22 pistol and it's reasonably priced.

In a close second is the Sig Mosquito (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=30&productid=113).  I don't think it looks quite as nice as the P22 but it does tend to run a bit cheaper.

Honestly, I have zero experience with handguns so I was wondering what y'all thought...Opinions?  Experiences?  Suggestions?  I would greatly appreciate it. :D
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: meatisgood on October 30, 2008, 07:49:20 PM
I think they both are good and if you have a LR you can use the same ammo for them but I would probably go with the Sig Mosquito cause you can thread a silencer on to it for more fun at home.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on October 30, 2008, 07:57:55 PM
I would probably go with the Sig Mosquito cause you can thread a silencer on to it for more fun at home.
Well I think the P22 has a threaded barrel too, if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Ks_Sniper on October 30, 2008, 08:05:52 PM
Avoid the Sig. I love the Sigs but the Mosquito doesn't seem to follow their level of standards very well. I've been reading about how they have a simple 1yr limited warranty whereas the full fledged Sigs have a lifetime warranty. Also been hearing about failure to fire numbers and in the end, I'd recommend an older buckmark or mark 2. I love my Mark 2 and it'll eat anything but the Winchester Golds. O0
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: meatisgood on October 30, 2008, 08:06:31 PM
It don't come with one so its probably an extra you have to buy for the change out barrels.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Ks_Sniper on October 30, 2008, 08:10:17 PM
You can get nice threaded barrels for the Mark 2 as well. O0
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Techno on October 30, 2008, 10:12:17 PM
I had the same thing on my mind.I want a .22 and or a 9mm for cheaper shooting.The fellow I bought my Taurus HMR revolver from was selling a Walther P22.It had the silencer and a laser.

I really like revolvers after buying the HMR revolver.Plus Tuarus has a lifetime warrenty.The Taurus 94 is a choice.I see them priced around $300.
(http://www.gunpundit.com/2008/taurus_5mm_tracker.jpg)

But I would really like to have "ol'reliable"  O0 O0
(http://wardragon.com/cruffler/pics/ruger_single_six/Left_grass.jpg)
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on October 30, 2008, 10:12:47 PM
What Ks_Sniper is referring to when he says Mark 2 is a Ruger. :roll:  They're really good guns and dang near indestructible! O0

As for the Walther and the Sig, I would go with the Walther.  I've shot one and they're neat little guns, not to mention you can get all kinds of little goodies to add on to them. O0

Better get it now before Hussain get's elected. >:(
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: ray40cal on October 31, 2008, 08:25:51 PM
Tech, when i saw that picture of the .17 pistol a while back, i thought it'd run about 800 bucks. Now i gotta get one.

Walther p22 is a good choice. They look cool too.


Get this though

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=62&productid=241
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on November 02, 2008, 06:50:09 PM
Thanks for the suggestions and comments!  Actually I didn't even get to read any of your replies before I made my choice because I went right to the store after work on Friday.  I couldn't wait!
But I ended up going with the P22.  Love that little thing so much.  I've only got the chance to put 11 rounds through it but it was a very enjoyable 11 rounds! :D
I'm probably gonna go to the range after work tomorrow and put a few hundred through it. O0

I've heard a lot of good things about the ruger 22/45 but I just wasn't into how it looks for some reason.  Also I was searching the web and came across this:  P22 vs 22/45 Heavyweight Title Bout! (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190643)
Good read if ya got some time to kill. (Hope you Don't mind me posting a link to another site)
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on November 02, 2008, 07:15:44 PM
(Hope you Don't mind me posting a link to another site)

Nah, when it's something like that where someone can gain some info, it's a good thing. O0  Besides, about everyone on here already knows about rimfire central. ;D  They're great for knowledge, but don't have the "atmosphere" this place does. :wink:

Glad you like your new toy.  I love shooting a semi-auto, but unless it's a .22 you can't afford to shoot it very much.  I've got a S&W that the boy had a ball shooting. :D
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on November 02, 2008, 07:23:54 PM
...but don't have the "atmosphere" this place does. :wink:
Tru...Loves me this place! :D

Glad you like your new toy.  I love shooting a semi-auto, but unless it's a .22 you can't afford to shoot it very much.  I've got a S&W that the boy had a ball shooting. :D
Yea, I don't think the kid is ready to handle it just yet.  He's still getting used to the Red Ryder.  We were plinkin' some cans today and he was surprising me with how good he was!  Made me proud!  8)

I do love getting 500 rounds for 20 bucks though. O0  Much cheaper than the .223.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Tenderfoot on November 09, 2008, 01:15:23 AM
Lol. I know it's cheaper. If you don't mind looks, the berretta(I think) neos is an amazing .22 plinker which looks like some sci-fi crud. It'll fling some lead, and fast too! I love shooting that little thing when I go to the range with my bud. It's very well made and reasonably priced.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on November 09, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
If you don't mind looks, the berretta(I think) neos is an amazing .22 plinker which looks like some sci-fi crud.
Haha yea it looks like some kinda phazer or something.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on December 09, 2008, 11:37:30 PM
Sooo...I got to shoot the p22 a bit.  I Ran 100 cci minimags through it without a problem.  Then I picked up a 525 round Federal value pack and the thing failed to feed almost every other round.  It's got to be the ammo, right? :-\
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Ks_Sniper on December 10, 2008, 07:09:26 PM
That's right. Sometimes you find one that will eat anything you feed it. Other times you find one like my Ruger Mark II that will not eat a single Remington Gold round but loves everything else. Still other times you have one that only likes a couple different brands. It's unfortunate, but a necessary evil.

I been looking at this one today.

(http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/838/83846/8384651.jpg?filter=classified/adPic1)

It's a S&W 22A. For $250 it's not a bad deal. O0
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on December 10, 2008, 07:27:32 PM
Rimfires are like that, with revolvers being REALLY bad about it.  The best thing to do is to get a bunch of different kinds and try them to see which ones your gun likes the best, both feeding and accuracy wise. O0
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: goclimbarock007 on December 11, 2008, 01:08:49 PM
Anyone ever heard of "firestorm" brand? apparently, they're made in south america, but i was just curious if anyone had any experience with them.

http://www.firestorm-sgs.com/products.htm
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on December 11, 2008, 02:11:30 PM
Anyone ever heard of "firestorm" brand? apparently, they're made in south america, but i was just curious if anyone had any experience with them.

[url]http://www.firestorm-sgs.com/products.htm[/url]


I did a search on them to find some comments.  From what I can gather, they're essentially a Bersa.  I have an older model Bersa .380 and it's a good gun.  Bersa has a decent reputation. O0

Some comments I found:

Quote
Are Firestorm guns any good?  I would appreciate any input.
     
** It probably depends on what model you're looking at. From my understanding, Firestorm is a combination of Llama and Bersa firearms. Bersa has a fairly respectable reputation whereas Llama's reputation is a bit tarnished. If you have a particular model you're looking at, you might want to specify which one has caught your eye.
     
** IIRC Firestorm guns are built in the U.S. from mostly, if not all, Bersa parts shipped in.

** I think they are pretty good guns for the money. I had a .380 Firestorm and never had any problems with it. It was a very comfortable gun to shoot and pretty accurate too. I didn't care for the take-down procedure but other than that it was good for $200.
     
** A friend has one of their 1911s.  For the price it's a great gun thereare someparts that don't interchange with 1911s and I hate their grips.  I can't speak for longevity because he hasn't had it long enough and doesn't shoot it enough to get a feel for that.  It's not a Colt but then it's not a Bryco either

** It depends. If you are looking at the 1911 style models they have a pretty bad reputation. If you are talking about the Mini Firestorm models then you are good to go. The Mini models are made by Bersa in Argentina and are good quality guns at a reasonable price. I have two Bersa 9mms that have been excellent.
     
** I have the 45 Firestorm compact model. It is the two tone model.
It shoots well, has never jammed, and is accurate. Actually the pistol is pretty well made.
I like the pistol.
The only draw back is that it is not based on the standard 45 frame. Most 1911 parts will fit it, but some will not. Like the grips, the standard 1911 grips will not fit. Even the grip screws are different.
When Llama went out last year, the DA only Firestorm 1911 style, went with them as they were made in the same factory.
That does not bother me. There are parts still available for them.
Mine was as new and I paid 225.00 for it.
I do not know where you can get anything close to it for the money. I like it!
     
** My daughter's boyfriend has a firestorm .45 sort of a 1911, but not a direct copy. The 1911 magazines work, though. I shot it. It was 100 percent with ball and 200 grain cast SWC and shot well which I can't say for at least one 1911 I had, an Auto Ordinance. I had an AMT hardballer that WOULD shoot the 200 grain SWC load, the Auto Ordinance was ball only. I had a 220 grain cast round nose handload it'd shoot, actually a Lee mold for a Ruger Old Army cap and ball. Got the hollow point version, too, that worked because the cavity isn't very big.  Anyway, for the price of that firestorm, it worked quite well I thought. I didn't try any hollow point in it, but I wouldn't carry it anyway for self defense, rather carry something lighter and DA.
     
** The FireStorm (Bersa) Minis I have (2-9, 1-.45) have performed very well. Only problem was with the .45 as I tended to get hammer bit by it. My Bersa Thunder9s (of which the FS Minis are based off of) have also performed very well.
 
** i love my bersa thunder .380. Very reliable shooter + very accurate (10-12 yd ranges). I trust it as a carry piece.  have fired the Mini Firestorm .45. Tack driver out to 15 yards. No problems w/ the 200 rds i put through her.

** A shooting buddy bought a Firestorm that looked like a 1911 copy. 1st time to the range, 1st mag full, the thing went full auto on him. He never took it to the range again...instead, he sold it!
     
** I have a FireStorm Mini 40 which is one of my favorite guns. It had a few FTFs during the first 100 rounds, but it has been perfect for the last 600 rounds since then. It has a very nice trigger, which is even better since I put a trapper spring kit in it. The fit and finish are not quite in the same class as a Sig, but it works great and it fits my hand better than any other handgun I have. My only complaints would be that there are not many aftermarket items for it and extra magazines are pricey. For some reason I am not aware of, they are only sold in the western half of the U.S. The 1911 type models sold by FireStorm were made by Llama who is no longer in business. They are no longer offered. They also sell Comanche revolvers. You can find more people familiar with the FireStorms on the forums at [url=http://www.bersatalk.com]www.bersatalk.com[/url].
     
** I had a Mini-Firestorm .45 that functioned flawlessly thru several thousand rounds. Only downside was the price of spare mags. $39 each and they were hard to find. Other than that, it was a great little gun for $300.
     
** I've had a Bersa Thunder 380 for the past 3 years, and haven't had an issue with it yet. In fact I like them so much that I just bought a Firestorm 22. Both are accurate, and digest everything I feed them. Whats not to like?
   


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** I am considering the purchase of a new Bersa/Firestorm FS22. I keep reading great things about the Bersa Thunder line, but have no need of a larger caliber pistol, as I have more than enough of those already. I just want a accurate, reliable plinker which will double as maybe a snake/rat gun when I'm in the woods.. Any experience with this model or input would be greatly appreciated.

** Spend a few bucks more and get a Ruger 22/45.

** Thanks, but it's not the money, I just like the looks of the Firestorm FS 22. I've had Rugers in the past, and they are great firearms, but I'm just kinda dialed into this particular pistol.. Appreciate it tho!

** These look good and alot easier to take down than a 22/45. The other guns being made by Firestorm have a good reputation. My question is, when I looked on Davidson's site to see this model it is listed as being available in western states only. Why? Those west coast snobs don't think Yankees can appreciate a nice gun? What's up with that?

**According to the Firestorm website the U.S. is divided into 4 (more or less) quadrants. Apparently the ad you read somehow was associated with the distributer for that particular quadrant. I have a gun shop dealing with a wholesaler from this area (SE quadrant), and hopefully will be able to get me one. I'll keep ya updated.

** I got the Firestorm FS22 a couple of weeks ago, and it is a sweet little pistol. Over 750 rds. and nary a bobble. I paid $220 for it, and it's a real bargain. Reliable, very accurate, lifetime warranty... A couple of my friends shot it and now want one. The "available on the W. Coast only" was just referring to that "particular" wholesaler. I had no trouble getting one in 2 days after my favorite gun shop took the order. I like it so much I might buy another Bersa/Firestorm pistol before long. It's a keeper.. Check 'em out @ [url=http://www.GunBlast.com]www.GunBlast.com[/url], (archived articles Nov '04)

** Thanks for the update and review. I'm glad it's been such a good buy for you. Are you shooting high speed ammo? Will it shoot standard velocity ammo?
Keep enjoying it, sounds like a good gun at a good price.

** The [url=http://www.GunBlast.com]www.GunBlast.com[/url] article said the FS22 in fact would NOT cycle perfectly with the standard velocity ammunition. Apparently the standard velocity stuff just isn't powerful enough. I have only used the Remington "gold bulltets" high velocity ammo that sells at Wally World for about $9.00 for 550rds. I did run some CCI mini-mags thru it, no problems. I do have some CCI Green Box standard velocity ammo I had for my old "High Quality" HighStandard target pistol which would ONLY function properly with that particular ammo. I'll give that a try next week, expecting problems. All of the new 22 ammo I've run thru the FS 22 has been 100% reliable. I did have some mis-fires with some old (10yrs or more) ammo. Guess I'll keep the standard velocity stuff for my 22 rifles. I seriously love this Firestorm pistol tho.. It is very, very sweet.

** I've got the model with the 6" barrel. It is highly accurate and functions flawlessly with Remington Yellow Jacket ammo. It does not
like the WalMart/Federal bulk ammo. I'll be glad to send pictures
for those that have are not familiar with the 6" model.

** While you are looking, if you haven't already spent your money. Take a look-see at the Browning Bench Mark series. From the basic BM Camper ($250 - $275) to the fancy shooters, the trigger, innards, and barrels are all the same. Excellent trigger out of the box, easy to modify all sorts of little things, replacement triggers, etc. I have two to go along with my Ruger Mark standard and Single six.
Great guns and a good feel. I know of several who went from the Ruger 22/45 to the BM. Enjoy what ever you get.       

** We have one. Every range trip it sees 500 or so rounds through it. Everyone loves to shoot it. I may buy another just so I get to shoot more.  It functions flawlessly with the 40g el cheapo ammo, but not 100% with the bargain basement 36g. Naturally, it loves any of the better grade ammo.  One big plus with the FireStorm: any experience gained with it translates well to the FireStorm or Bersa .380, the Walther .32 or .380, and the Makarov or FEG 9X18. They are all virtually identical in size, weight, and controls.  All in all, it is a heck of a lot of bang for your buck!
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on January 13, 2009, 07:42:57 PM
Finally some pics of the little guy:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/noname1/Guns/P22Case.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/noname1/Guns/P22Perception.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/noname1/Guns/P22Slide.jpg)

So I was just wondering...It's typically bad to dry fire a rimfire gun, right?  Well what happens when my gun fails to feed cheap ammo so often?  Is it gonna mess it up the breech face?  Break the firing pin?  I haven't really shot that much cheap ammo out of it, maybe like 100-200 rounds, but it failed to feed pretty often. :-\
Also, does shooting shot out of a rifled barrel screw up the rifling?  It's probably not even worth it though...that .22 shot looks pretty puny.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on January 13, 2009, 10:21:59 PM
So I was just wondering...It's typically bad to dry fire a rimfire gun, right? 

Yes, it is very bad to dry fire a rimfire! :shock:  With a centerfire, the firing pin doesn't hit anything.  With a rimfire, the firing pin slams into the breech face.  Not a good thing! :shock:


Well what happens when my gun fails to feed cheap ammo so often?  Is it gonna mess it up the breech face?  Break the firing pin?  I haven't really shot that much cheap ammo out of it, maybe like 100-200 rounds, but it failed to feed pretty often. :-\

Nah, the cheap ammo won't hurt it.  It's just a pain the butt clearing it all of the time. >:(


Also, does shooting shot out of a rifled barrel screw up the rifling?  It's probably not even worth it though...that .22 shot looks pretty puny.

Yes, the shot will mess up the rifling.  Don't matter if it's puny or not, it will still screw with it.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on January 13, 2009, 10:34:38 PM
Nah, the cheap ammo won't hurt it.  It's just a pain the butt clearing it all of the time. >:( 
Isn't it essentially dry firing though?  It throws the spent casing but doesn't load another...and there's really no way to know if a round has been fed unless you stop to check every time.  Maybe it's not the ammo?  Unless the cheap ammo isn't creating enough energy to cycle it properly.  I dunno...


Yes, the shot will mess up the rifling.  Don't matter if it's puny or not, it will still screw with it.
Why do they even make that crap then?  Is there really smooth bore .22lr shotguns? ???
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on January 13, 2009, 11:01:03 PM
Isn't it essentially dry firing though?  It throws the spent casing but doesn't load another...and there's really no way to know if a round has been fed unless you stop to check every time.  Maybe it's not the ammo?  Unless the cheap ammo isn't creating enough energy to cycle it properly.  I dunno...

Why do they even make that crap then?  Is there really smooth bore .22lr shotguns? ???


Yeah, if it's not putting one in the chamber, then I wouldn't shoot it any more. O0

As for the shot, why do they make half of the useless crap they do today?  But, yes, they do make .22 shotguns.  More specifically, I know they make .22 WMRF (Winchester Magnum Rim Fire) shotguns. O0

Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Tenderfoot on January 13, 2009, 11:19:22 PM
Yes, .22 shotguns are made. Legally, I don't know, but it aint me telling you that a friend has a cousin who says a 7/32 drill bit is darn near .22''. No, I was at some random crime museum in N.C. and they had a display of home fashioned firearms in one room- It's amazing what you can do with a little bit of scrap, a lathe and redneck ingenuity!
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on January 13, 2009, 11:26:43 PM
Yes, .22 shotguns are made. Legally, I don't know, ................


Poor Tenderness.......... :roll:  I think it's pretty clear by the picture I posted above that they are, in fact, made legally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on January 14, 2009, 01:30:10 AM
Yeah, if it's not putting one in the chamber, then I wouldn't shoot it any more. O0
Seriously?  Is it not the ammo?
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on January 14, 2009, 08:55:59 AM
Seriously?  Is it not the ammo?

Sorry, forgot who I was talking to. :roll:  Don't shoot that type of ammo any more.  The gun, yes.  The ammo that doesn't feed, no. O0

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on January 14, 2009, 10:18:06 AM
Sorry, forgot who I was talking to. :roll:  Don't shoot that type of ammo any more.  The gun, yes.  The ammo that doesn't feed, no. O0
lmao you sob!  Alright, just making sure...Thx. O0
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Tenderfoot on January 14, 2009, 01:22:12 PM
Sorry B.C. that pic wasn't showing up last night.
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on February 10, 2009, 01:17:48 PM
I took ma P22 out last weekend too and put about 250 rounds through it.  As I mentioned earlier, I was under the impression that it was very finicky with the ammo brands that it would take.  So I went out and bought a 100 round pack of the plated Winchester Super X in the plastic case, which cost over eight bucks!  That's more than a %30 increase from the last time I bought it several months ago!

As excepted, it fired all 100 rounds well with the exception of one stovepipe.

I also had some Winchester Wildcat and some Remington ThunderBolts, which I bought a while ago to test out but never got the chance.

I put almost 50 rounds of the Wildcat through it with 1 FtF and 100 rounds of the ThunderBolt through it without a hitch. ???

So maybe this gun just needed to get broken in a bit, with the good stuff, for it to start feeding correctly.  I'm happy that it will eat the ThunderBolts considering how much ammo has gone up.  That stuff is so dirty though. :shock:
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: Big58cal on February 10, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Man, I buy the "milk cartons" from Federal that have 550 rounds in them. O0  The last time I bought them, they were $20 for a carton.  Those things may be cheap, but they shoot good in my guns. O0
Title: Re: "Cheap" Plinking Handguns
Post by: nOnAmE on February 10, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
Man, I buy the "milk cartons" from Federal that have 550 rounds in them. O0  The last time I bought them, they were $20 for a carton.  Those things may be cheap, but they shoot good in my guns. O0
I tried those before and they didn't feed well in the P22.  I put about 50 of em through and then just gave the rest away.

I also misspoke about the Wildcats and this gun.  I bought a 500 box of Wildcat and it did the same thing...Went through a few and gave the rest away.  It was the other Winchester cheap-o ammo that fed well the other day.