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Just Jawin At Camp / Re: Talk about 50 shades of gray MT FWP
« Last post by John Andrews on December 08, 2017, 04:06:31 AM »
 :shock:  :idiot2 :crazy2 :uglystupid2 :tickedoff Wow! What the H? Is like a dog chasing its tail to get straight info.  :tickedoff
Just Jawin At Camp / Talk about 50 shades of gray MT FWP
« Last post by D45/70 on December 07, 2017, 01:04:33 PM »
Montana Fish wildlife and Parks!
Brinkmans Game preserve.

Try finding Information on that.

I stumbled across this looking at my Mariss river BMA map.



Block management areas are public/private areas set aside for hunting with special regulations unique to the area.

Some just walk in some just sign in and some with permission.

On the BMA Map regulations this states "special weapons".

Normally that will mean BP, archery, pistol, or shotguns.

Cool, this is not on any BLM/Forest service map I have maps from 1977 to 2005.

 I happen to live in GF where the regional FWP office is.

 After an exhausting several hour search of there web sight

I went to it.

I ask about what kind of weapons I can use.

Girl at the desk, " I don't know". I'll check. She hit the computer to look , nothing here she says.


She goes in back and comes out with a Map with reg's on the back.

Looks like only archery during deer season only, otherwise every thing is illegal.


I explain the BMA map does not say that, the computer does not say that, any and all other official public maps don't even SHOW it.

How can that be? Girl behind the counter says "I Don't Know".

 It also says I cant run a motorized form of transportation , OK?

So Now I have over 4 hours time searching and a trip to there office and I'm still confused.

So I ask " Using a boat access area just a mile or two up stream asper the BMA maps and want to fish  I cant?

No you can the Preserve does not regulate the river asper the "The stream access law". A motorized boat is ok.

Can I duck hunt in the river? I ask. No discharging any weapon on the preserve is illegal. The stream access law says I can hunt /fish/recreate between the high water marks, and the preserve does not regulate the river.

Right she said. So I can shoot ducks? Nope not on the preserve .


So I leave the ramp legal go a mile and I'm illegal for 20 miles then I legal again ? YUP she said.

Is there a warden around today? I ask . No not today .

How can all this be?

I know there is a reason for all the gray areas in our game laws.

 It is so the FWP can wright more tickets, I know that.

I made a huge effort to find out all most nothing.

What is a casual recreater to do?

 I wonder if there is a rule about hunting/fishing if your wearing green under pants? HOW would I find out?

50 shades of gray!


Just Jawin At Camp / Re: I shot at 3 coyotes today.
« Last post by John Andrews on December 05, 2017, 03:38:34 AM »
  :shock: We have days like that.  :sad:
Just Jawin At Camp / Re: I shot at 3 coyotes today.
« Last post by D45/70 on December 04, 2017, 12:32:51 PM »
Just Jawin At Camp / Re: I shot at 3 coyotes today.
« Last post by John Andrews on December 04, 2017, 03:07:49 AM »
Wow! So what's the deal, D?
Just Jawin At Camp / I shot at 3 coyotes today.
« Last post by D45/70 on December 03, 2017, 04:03:34 PM »
The boy and I went calling .
 WAY up north , left town at 2:30 AM.

The plan was to do some night calling then all day long calling.

We took the 4wheeler in the back of my ford. We had plans to call some places before the "people" started to use them. Boat ramp / fishing /duck hunting areas. Good plan, but no coyotes.

We roamed the highline for state and federal lands to call.

 Called in some good spots. The good thing about the 4wheeler is , We could park the big red truck miles away from where we wanted to call, AKA no place to hide the truck. Bear knows what I'm talking about. The Wheeler we could hide in the ditch behind a tumble weed.

 Lot of calling and sets 2:30 am to 5:00 pm. The good news is we called in 3 coyotes... Bad news is they all came in on MY side, I missed all 3 crap, I hate to do all that work and driving to miss every coyote we call. later in the trip we found some poor unfortunate  targets, prairie dogs. I promptly missed 4, the boys 17 it 7 in a row at 200 yards.


 This morning before the predicted snow I ran out north of town to my secret X shooting range to re zero the 22/250.

Pull up pick up a BIG box of crap left by other shooters, walk out 200 yards set up my box with target. Walk back put the bipods down sit and shoot 3 times . Walk out look at the target shake my head , bring back the box/target. I also picked up another box of crap. Stopped at the 100 mark set the target to see what's going on. Set back down and took one shot. IT IS NEVER THE GUN,NEVER!!!!



That is under an inch high and two inch apart at 200 yards sitting on the ground with bipods = Dead coyote.



Inch high and a little wind drift.





The boy is after wolf today.
Just Jawin At Camp / Re: anyone reload Rio blue steel goose loads?
« Last post by D45/70 on December 01, 2017, 02:15:03 PM »
Your DIL is quite a good shot!  O0
YUP a dad burned Annie Oakley. O0 :D
Just Jawin At Camp / Re: anyone reload Rio blue steel goose loads?
« Last post by John Andrews on December 01, 2017, 03:26:43 AM »
I used to load with an old Mec 250 but no longer reload, D. I sure am glad to see you folks busting some birds! Your DIL is quite a good shot!  O0
Just Jawin At Camp / anyone reload Rio blue steel goose loads?
« Last post by D45/70 on November 30, 2017, 03:00:04 PM »
First off;
 My load is a published load I have been using for a LONG time. I just cant find my Rio pamphlet it came from.
 We do a lot of goose/duck hunting on the river after Big game and before it ALL freezes up.
 On out last outing you would think My boy and I where shooting blanks and the D-I-L had all the "loaded" ones.
 She flat out kicked our buts, that trip.
 My boy has a Winchester 1100 pump and mine is a rem 870 super express, D-I-L just got a Stoeger auto.
 We all run a .669 choke ( very tight) . I do the shot shell reloading the boy does the brass stuff.
 We have found that a Rio blue 3" hull ,Fiocchi 616 ( ? ) primer 35 gr steel powder , TPS wad and 71 #2 steel shot (240 gr) and 46 #B steel shot (260 gr)
 That is just under 1 1/4 oz. ,the smaller shot has to be on the bottom at 1500 fps is death ( normally ) on Canada geese and golden eye ducks.
 50 and 60 yards work well, not so good on a gadwall that sometimes slips up on you under 30 yards and that really is not the right load but, dead is dead.
 I have checked the speed with our Magnetospeed in different temperatures and there very consistent.
 We have not put the new auto on paper yet but what we saw I would say it is putting the spread right on target.
 We have printed out shotguns and at 40 yards a 30" circle will get close to 90% of the shot , you can see the #2/ #B spread .
 Most the B are in 15/20 inch and the #2 will fill in the rest, few flyers of either.
 I weigh every powder load and that are exact, I use primer trays to actually count the pellets, never mix the two, the weight may very slightly but the count is exact.
Anyway what do you goose slayers use ?

Just Jawin At Camp / Re: Happy thanksgiving
« Last post by MOSPARKY on November 24, 2017, 09:11:14 PM »
Thanks . Hope you all had a good one as well.
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