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AP) — The Supreme Court ruled this morning that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.
New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.
The ruling could alter employment practices nationwide, potentially limiting the circumstances in which employers can be held liable for decisions when there is no evidence of intentional discrimination against minorities.
“Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer’s reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions,” Justice Anthony Kennedy said in his opinion for the court. He was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
In dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the white firefighters “understandably attract this court’s sympathy. But they had no vested right to promotion. Nor have other persons received promotions in preference to them.”
Justices Stephen Breyer, David Souter and John Paul Stevens signed onto Ginsburg’s dissent, which she read aloud in court Monday.
Kennedy’s opinion made only passing reference to the work of Sotomayor and the other two judges on the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals who upheld a lower court ruling in favor of New Haven.
But the appellate judges have been criticized for producing a cursory opinion that failed to deal with “indisputably complex and far from well-settled” questions, in the words of another appeals court judge, Sotomayor mentor Jose Cabranes.
“This perfunctory disposition rests uneasily with the weighty issues presented by this appeal,” Cabranes said, in a dissent from the full 2nd Circuit’s decision not to hear the case.
Monday’s decision has its origins in New Haven’s need to fill vacancies for lieutenants and captains in its fire department. It hired an outside firm to design a test, which was given to 77 candidates for lieutenant and 41 candidates for captain.
Fifty six firefighters passed the exams, including 41 whites, 22 blacks and 18 Hispanics. But of those, only 17 whites and two Hispanics could expect promotion.
The city eventually decided not to use the exam to determine promotions. It said it acted because it might have been vulnerable to claims that the exam had a “disparate impact” on minorities in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The white firefighters said the decision violated the same law’s prohibition on intentional discrimination.
Kennedy said an employer needs a “strong basis in evidence” to believe it will be held liable in a disparate impact lawsuit. New Haven had no such evidence, he said.
The city declined to validate the test after it was given, a step that could have identified flaws or determined that there were no serious problems with it. In addition, city officials could not say what was wrong with the test, other than the racially skewed results.

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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 05:40:45 PM »
I read this. Good for them. O0

The only problem I have with this article is...

Fifty six firefighters passed the exams, including 41 whites, 22 blacks and 18 Hispanics.

I may be a little off on my math, but 41 & 22 & 18 has never equaled 56. ??? ;D :roll:
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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 08:12:21 PM »
Only white men are capable of being racist and should be hunted down to extinction. If all white men were dead the world would be so much better off.

There would be no more wars, no more killing, no more crime, no more sickness, no more intolerance, no more drugs and no more hate.

Only white men are capable of hate.

They invented hate.

There was no hate before the white man came along.

If there were no more white men, every other race and creed could get along and join hands and sing Kum-by-ya all day long.

God I hate white men....Don't you? :roll:
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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 10:11:56 PM »
That's like state government.  When I was looking into getting a job with F&W, it was TOUGH to get on the state register (that state government hires from).  You had to really be good and know your stuff to do it.  I finally made it after several attempts (you had to score within the top 5% to get put on the register).

Several years later, I took the test again to get put on the register.  I noticed that it was quite a bit easier.  I got to talking to some people with F&W about it.  They said that not enough women and minorities could get on the register, so they had to lower the standards.      WTF??  ???  Yeah, that's fair!  >:( :tickedoff
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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 10:14:22 PM »
But who's gonna pay the Bills ?
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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 10:37:03 PM »
If sotomayor had it her way there would be a white tax.
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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 09:27:01 AM »
If sotomayor had it her way there would be a white tax.
That's the truth! It was easy to see what was going to happen when she accepted the post.  :tickedoff Real smart, appointing a black hate monger.  :tickedoff  It fits, considering who won the presidential election.  >:(

We deal with race and gender issues at work often. Our installation sits within a very liberal state, fruitcake Iowa.
Suprisingly, we really don't seem to have any serious problems and questions usually gets booted upstairs to the Army where they seem to evaporate or get settled very quickly.   O0

Our security force and fire department are well schooled in gender and racial issues, as well as the management department.

I "escorted" a troublesome black fella to the personell dept. one time and he tried to sucker punch the human resources manager. My nightstick encouraged him to sit back in the couch and take his medicine in a proper manner.  :twisted:

As the manager was politely talking to him, he shouted out an outburst about it being racial, etc. It definitely wasn't a racial issue, and he knew it. He didn't get along with anyone he worked with and threatened to shoot and kill his co-workers and boss. As he was leaving and went home, he again said he was coming back with a gun and going to kill all of them.
When he returned to the entrance gate a short while later, we were waiting and prepared for him.
His boss calmly informed him, "That sh*t doesn't cut it anymore".  O0 ;D

Right then and there, I was proud of the gentleman that put it straight forward to him.

Those white firefighters are in a morass  that may soon be solved by the in place racial laws being modified to be more realistic.

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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 11:32:45 AM »
Not to be nit-picky, but she's Mexican. :roll:
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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2009, 12:12:59 PM »
Not to be nit-picky, but she's Mexican. :roll:

She ain't white though.
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In all seriousness, the Marlin is a great rifle, too. I own a Model 60, one of the best rifles ever made.
Brownings are nice, but in terms of quality AND accuarcy AND ruggedness, it's hard to beat the Marlin.
California sucks that's it.

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Re: Dont know what this would fall under, but a good read non the less!
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2009, 12:23:30 PM »
JA, I got to disagree with you on that the racial laws will get better, I doubt it. I am more inclined to think they will get worse considering what is going on in DC :idiot2

 


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