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« on: November 19, 2004, 04:28:20 PM »
Has anybody here tried out the Mach 2 yet? I'm undecided on which I'd rather have, the HMR or the Mach II. While the HMR has more power, the Mach 2 rounds will still take out any squirrel and they run around half the cost. Decisions decisions...   :?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2004, 07:44:37 PM »
I haven't tried them, but from everything that I've heard and read about them, they're really good.  Another board I go to has a bunch of guys on there that shoot the Mach 2.  They LOVE them!

Given the choice, if I were you (and this is just my opinion), I'd get the HMR.  If you want to go out and shoot a lot, take a .22.  As far as hunting, take the HMR.  So far this year, I've gotten 35 squirrels.  That's 15 short of a box and a box of 50 HMR rounds costs me $10.  I've dropped squirrels at approx. 100 yds with the HMR.  I've also dropped crows out of trees at almost 200 yds.  Mix in the occasional cat and muskrat at long distances, and the HMR pays for itself.

If you're wanting a gun to "plink" with and want some distance to your shots, then by all means get the Mach 2.  I'm not discounting it at all, it's a really good round.  But if your main purpose for the gun is going to be to hunt with, I'd get the HMR.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2004, 12:45:16 AM »
Okay then BC, this now poses another question for you and those who have a vested interest in the .17 in general. I'm old enough to be called Dad to some of the people on here, and child to others. I haven't seen the days of the .17 centerfire (though I'd give my left n** to have access to everything needed for them), but I know that it died out once already. Since it IS a rimfire, and therefore IMPOSSIBLE to handload, what kind of certainty could there possibly be for my money not to go wasted when the HMR or Mark II disappears from the face of the planet AGAIN. This is the biggest 98% of why I don't have one yet. I know the .22 will be around for generations after I die, but most other calibers have yet to prove themself to stand the test of time.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2004, 12:29:10 PM »
You fellas make good points, except the .17  rimfire is here to stay. It has done much more than a flash in the pan. As far as the Mach2, it's here to stay, too. A well known gunsmith/maker/knife maker, Bob White, is building match grade Mach2 pistols and converting some .22s to the .17 . He lives not far from here and is a genius with his work. Bob is quoted as saying the Mach2 is faster than accredited. My gunsmith/sheath maker pal is a close friend of his, and says the Mach 2 is only 300 or 400 fpm slower  than the HMR. I am sticking with the HMR because it has proven to fit what I want it to do. I would like to have a Mach2, but it would not get shot much. The Mach2 will be very popular, especially with the young hunters. The price of ammo is a good factor with the Mach2, also. As far as the centerfire .17, your odds of buying a crippled rifle is pretty strong. Combined with general barrel life, the centerfire .17 is a poor choice. I have managed one gun store and worked part time in another private owned sporting goods store, and pretty well know my guns. Being a serious varmint hunter for years has given me some insight, too. Part of my day job consists of carrying weapons, too. I am not the world's expert, but I certainly don't recommend buying a .17 centerfire. I don't know offhand who even builds .17 centerfires anymore. Some your major makers are trying to distance themselves from the round.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2004, 05:12:22 PM »
are you kidding..................go with the hmr......Ive used both
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2004, 05:30:45 PM »
Thanks for your insight John. My old man was telling me that he feels that the .17 will pass into the background as will the new .204, and he know more about guns than I do, so I've been reluctant to pour my meager resources into this round if it'll be gone in 5 years.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2004, 05:34:45 PM »
The 17hmr is here to stay.It has changed the performance standards of rimfires.The 204.........that MAY go out.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2004, 10:16:27 PM »
You are welcome! Actually, the rifles were built around the .17HMR round, kind of a reverse of things. The greatest selling and staying point is the accuracy of the .17HMR, and now, the .17 Mach2, which is easily placing the shots through the same hole at 25 yards whille being shot through a converted .22 Ruger pistol. The .22 was invented for a reason, the .17 was invented for a certain reason, too. In a nutshell, people wanted a small rimfire with better accuracy than the .22. While playing around with numbers and the .17, it amazed the folks that developed the round. It's one thing to make some small changes, it's quite another to reach such astounding improvements as with the .17. Research with the .17 has involved more R&R than most realize, and a longer span of years. Another point is that the evolution of the .17 rimfire to where it is today has far exceeded the the evolution of the .22 by itself, speaking of rimfires. The .22 magnum was a good start, but falls short of the .17HMR in accuracy and actual hunting results. This may invite some debate with .22 mag diehards, but the proof in in the pudding. That's my story and I'm sticking with it! :D Dixiebanjo is right on the money with what he says, too.
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