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Offline Floridastate1208

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Please help!!!!!!!!!!
« on: May 25, 2005, 03:28:56 PM »
Hey yall im 13 years old 5'3 about 140 pounds. I have just started hunting and dont even have a gun. So i was wondering if anyone can recamend a gun that would be good for me. PLEASe HELP!!!!!![/b]

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2005, 04:45:21 PM »
I would suspect that a lot of people would tell you a .243 would be an excellent gun if you are planning on hunting deer size game and even hogs.  I think that if you know an adult that reloads then you may want to consider a 7mm-08.  It has a very tolerable recoil and can handle animals a bit tougher than whitetail, including some of the exotics.  Its a very flat shooting round.  The rifle that I have has taken deer size game out to 327 yards with no problems. 

The only reason why you don't hear about too many people that shoot the 7mm-08 is because you commonly only find 140 grain factory ammunition for it.  If you handload your rounds you get a much larger variety.  I have guided many youth hunters on different species and the 7-mm-08 is an excellent choice and definetly worth considering.  Its short action make the caliber appealling as well.  The 140 grain will handle any whitetail in the USA and be an excellent gun to grow up using.


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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2005, 10:19:29 PM »
Sorry Arrow, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I think a 7mm will be a bit much for a 13 yr old. Depending on what 1208 is going to be hunting, I would have to recommend either a .223, .243, or maybe a .270, though that would be pushing it for most youth. I'm not saying you can't handle the 7mm, 1208. I'm just saying that if you're new to everything, you'd be better off using something with less umph to it so you don't develope a bad habit of flinching, closing your eyes when you pull the trigger, or jerking the rifle in anticipation of the kick. Otherwise, the 7mm would be a great choice for anything you may hunt down there.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2005, 11:30:01 PM »
I'm going to have to disagree with you both.  I think the best gun would be a 20 gauge shotgun.  You can hunt squirrels and rabbits with it, as well as extending the range a bit by using 00 buck shot for some larger critters (still "small" game of course).  If you get a rifled slug barrel for it (barrels cost around $100), you can hunt deer out to around 150 yds and maybe 200 yds, depending upon how good a shot you are.

The Remington 870 is a good gun for anyone.  Whether it's a 20 gauge or a 12 gauge, the accessories that you can get for them is astronomical. :shock:  Also, the 870 is pretty fair priced.  Basically, for a little over $300 you can have 2 guns, a shotgun and a rifle (with rifled slug barrel being the "rifle").

If you're not into small game that much, check into a .223 WSSM (Winchester Super Short Magnum), .25-06, or a .243, or a .243 WSM  (Winchester Short Magnum).  The WSSM or WSM cartriges are basically short and fat, allowing for a more efficient powder burn than the same calibur in a standard cartrige, thus, more velocity and a flatter trajectory and more foot pound of force.

Still, if I were you, I'd get the 20 gauge.  Shotguns are just so versitile and with the modern techology of slugs these days (combined with a rifled slug barrel), they're deadly! :mrgreen:
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2005, 01:50:36 PM »
Personally, I've never used a rifled shotgun, so I can't make any recommendations that way, but, like I said, it all depends on what game you plan on hunting.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 03:19:44 PM »
Probably should have asked what you were planning on hunting in the first place.  I assume like the majority of the hunters in America you will be or probably plan on hunting America's favorite animal, the whitetail.  If not, let us know what you plan on hunting.  If you just need to get into shooting a rifle and plinking, get a .22 single shot and practice.  If you are ready to hunt, get a rifle if its allowed where you are hunting.  Some areas of the US don't allow rifles and only shotgun or bow.  Check your game laws.


Sorry Arrow, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I think a 7mm will be a bit much for a 13 yr old. Depending on what 1208 is going to be hunting, I would have to recommend either a .223, .243, or maybe a .270, though that would be pushing it for most youth. I'm not saying you can't handle the 7mm, 1208. I'm just saying that if you're new to everything, you'd be better off using something with less umph to it so you don't develope a bad habit of flinching, closing your eyes when you pull the trigger, or jerking the rifle in anticipation of the kick. Otherwise, the 7mm would be a great choice for anything you may hunt down there.




I personally think the .223 is too light of a caliber for hunting deer size game.  It's very accurate but I think a hunter would do better to choose a heavier bullet and caliber.  It will always come down to shot placement but if the kid needs a gun that he can grow up with and advance to bigger game easily than a 7mm-08 will do that better than a .223 or a .243.  Just seen way too much wounded game from a .223 even from kids that were good shots, to suggest that caliber.  I have also experienced taking many youth  hunting that age and younger, boy and girl alike, that can handle this 7mm-08 caliber.   Its a short action and works great with kids hunting any deer size game.  If the kid can handle a shotgun, he can handle this caliber of rifle.  If you don't know an adult that will teach you about reloading then get a .243 for the easy availability of ammunition.

This little 13 year old girl shot this ram at 147 yards with 140 grain Remington ammunition last summer.  One shot is all she needed and put it down with no problems.  She shot it while standing with the use of a monopod. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 06:07:56 PM »
Now Arrow, don't get me wrong, I think the 7mm is a great round, and I would never recommend anybody but a seasoned hunter to hunt deer with a .223. I was trying to cover the basics. For animals up to yote sized animals, I recommend the .223 over others, even the HMR :-[ , but for anything larger, barring dangerously big game, I recommend the .243 or .270. Also, BC has a strong point with the WSM's and WSSM's. The cost may be more, and the ammo may cost more, but if you reload, I can't think of a better investment for your rifle. :mrgreen:
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Re: Please help!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 08:28:02 PM »
Ks,

I think every rifle caliber has its place.  I never really understood why there are so many rifles calibers available.  Kinda makes me wonder if there is more than one way to kill an animal with a rifle? Every year, gotta come out with a new caliber while all the others that have stood the test of time and proved very effective. :shock:  Just kidding.  I know the .243 is a good caliber.  I really just wanted to suggest something a little different that I don't often see suggested.  Never meant to degrade the value of your suggestions and experience but merely wanting to state my opinion.  Your point with the flinching from recoil is dually noted and is very true.  I think back to how it was when I learned to shoot.  I was 7 years old and started with a .22 long rifle single shot.  Still have that gun.  Matter of fact, I think I'll take it out this weekend and do a little plinking with it myself. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2005, 01:41:41 AM »
Arrow,

LOL  ;D You go plink to your hearts content. No degradation was perceived. No harm, no foul. I understand where you're coming from and of the rifle's I've been looking at for my next purchase, I was actually looking at a 7mm WSM. I was looking at the differences in trajectory, velocity, etc. of the .44 Mag and the .30/30 and happen to throw the 7mm WSM in there with them. Seeing the charts, I was SHOCKED at the differences they had. The 7mm WSM had more of EVERYTHING at 100 yds than either of the other two had at the muzzle. People just tend to stand behind what works for them. I've never owned a .243, nor have I shot one. I've just done my fair share of research on several different calibers. You can ask the guys around here about my conversion process to the HMR.  ;D :roll: I'll bet I got on some nerves making sure the little round will be around for years to come.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2005, 08:19:08 AM »
Are you talking about the .17 HMR?   I have a buddy that has one and its heck on little varmints.  Pretty loud for a little rifle but fun to shoot.  If you get a 7mmWSM let me know what loads you get worked up.  That is, if you reload. 
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