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.17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« on: January 09, 2006, 10:52:34 AM »
A while back I slapped a scope on a pal's .22 mag and we went to the range. I toted my .17 along to check my sights and educate my pal about the difference in rimfires. We got his .22 sighted in, and I placed some apples at the 50 meter mark. I told my pal to pop a couple of the apples. He was looking for something exciting to happen, and shot two of the apples I had placed on top of the target stand. The apples didn't even move, but I could see a hole in each apple through my scope. I told him to watch the apples, and cut loose on them. The apples practically vaporized in about 3 or 4 foot clouds of white explosions. THAT impressed my pal Ed! :shock: I let him shoot some more apples with my rifle, to demonstrate what I had been trying to tell him for months. Seeing is believing, I told Ed. We then exploded some pop cans filled with water at 100 meters, along with some nuts I had found. His rifle shot not too bad at 100 yards, about 1 to 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards. The .17 shot groups 1/4" at that range, easily. I can see a .17 in his near future. I have passed the rifle to quite a few other gents I have met at the range, and they all get hooked on the little but powerful .17HMR. If you get a chance to shoot one, you too will be hooked.  One example of how the .17s are selling here, our local wallyword has been sold out for a couple of weeks of the .17 rifles.
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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 11:06:01 AM »
.17HMR is a devastating round for it's size indeed.  And I don't doubt you shot 1/4 inch groups at a 100 yards, but it must have been under the idealist of conditions.  I would expect wind drift to affect that little bullet considerably...

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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2006, 10:21:12 PM »
....Physics IS physics,and physical law absolutely dictates that the tiny .17 caliber is best suited to days that are breeze free. Wind drift is a  bugaboo with it's 17grain weight projectiles. Also the explosive effects of the tiny projectiles is caused by thier very fragile construction.The .17 is no cartridge to buck brush with,or tooth picks for that matter,but then no caliber excells ,in the truest sense, with staying on course after having impacted any obstacle on it's path. The same factor of bullet construction that makes the .17 devastating on SMALL game,makes it unsuitable(for lack of penetration) on furbearing game much bigger than squirrel. Game like coon,cayote,bobcat should, in my opinion, require a .22 magnum minimum for the humane conscientious hunter. The .17 should make a crackerjack Turkey killer,where rifles are allowed . Perhaps as the .17Hmr matures,better assortments in bullet construction will become available,but with such a small projectile this caliber shouldn't be streched to game that by virtue of size and hardyhood ,demand more mass in the kill pill....The 50gr. .22 mag.load provides a quantum leap in humane killing power for larger furbearers! Even the more common 40gr bullets give the .22 mag the ability to deliver killing energy deeper into the animals vital 'boiler room'..

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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2006, 10:56:50 AM »
There are fairly new rounds out for the .17, FMJ and hollow points that are working great for larger game. The new rounds are heavier, 20gr, compared to the lighter 17gr fodder. The 17gr hollowpoint bullets penetrate twice as far as the Vmax. I did some penetration testing in thick Lexan, and the tests were surprising. Lexan is used for window bullet protection. The Vmax penetrated a good half inch, the 17gr hollowpoints penetrate a full inch, and both of the bullets retained most of their core because of the bullet jackets. The 20gr FMJ bullet mushrooms perfectly, an excellent factor for larger game. The 17gr Vmax and the 17gr hollowpoints have the same POI in my rifle. The 20gr has a POI at the same elevation, but 3 inches to the right without my scope being adjusted. Downrange at 100 yards, the .17HMR has more punch than the standard .22 mag, too. I belong to another board, a rimfire forum, RFC, that has a wealth of info on down range figures for the two different calibers.
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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 02:56:47 PM »
I hate to say it, but when it comes down to it, I'll not buy a .17. :-\ Not because of the money. Well... actually, I guess it IS because of the money. I crunched the numbers and found that I can reload .223's for the same price that I can buy HMRs. So, I guess I just can't see the cost effectiveness to it and being raised on the .223 AND knowing the .223 makes me feel better when used on larger game, I just have to go with the larger caliber.

No, I've never shot one, and I most likely won't until I've got a decent .223 to keep my mind made up. Otherwise, I'd end up with one too... remember how I ended up with the Savage .243 instead of the TC Encore Rifle in 6.5 SPC?  :-\
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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2006, 10:33:53 AM »
Those are some tough choices to make, Ks_! I don't own a .223, but it would be nice to own one. I tote and shoot my M16 at work, but that's not the same as owning a .223 for hunting, as we know. If I had your money, I would own one. O0
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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2006, 03:17:53 PM »
Hmmm... John, when I get the .223, I'll head up your way and we'll compare notes. Do a little trade off at the range. ^-^
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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2006, 08:18:47 PM »
Hmmm... John, when I get the .223, I'll head up your way and we'll compare notes. Do a little trade off at the range. ^-^
Sounds great, Ks_! I have free run of a great range we use near home here. We can burn some powder and hunt some critters while you are here, too. I will even give you a handicap, I will shoot left handed and  with one eye closed! :wink: ;D ;D ;DSeriously, I don't think you will need a handicap, but I will still shoot that way, anyhow. Disregard the fact I am left handed and shoot left handed. Ooooops, I shoulda kept my mouth shut! :wink: ;D ;D
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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2006, 11:38:47 AM »
Hmmm... John, when I get the .223, I'll head up your way and we'll compare notes. Do a little trade off at the range. ^-^
Sounds great, Ks_! I have free run of a great range we use near home here. We can burn some powder and hunt some critters while you are here, too. I will even give you a handicap, I will shoot left handed and  with one eye closed! :wink: ;D ;D ;DSeriously, I don't think you will need a handicap, but I will still shoot that way, anyhow. Disregard the fact I am left handed and shoot left handed. Ooooops, I shoulda kept my mouth shut! :wink: ;D ;D

thats ok ks   just make sure its his LEFT eye he keeps closed!!!
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Re: .17HMR Vs. .22 Mag
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2006, 11:31:37 AM »
Hey! Not fair, Morax! ;D ;D ;DI am sure I would be hard pressed to whomp any of you at the range. We can shoot big targets at 100 meters, like aspirins, or something. That is, unless you want to go to small targets at that distance. Even with shooting such targets, I KNOW some of you are up to that, and better. BC comes to mind, first and foremost. Knowing BC, he would want to shoot flea whiskers at 100 meters, and I will go ahead and bow out. I heard about a fella and BC squirrel hunting a while back. BC was shooting and the squirrel was jumping and running all over the place. His buddy asked BC what he was doing. BC informed his pal that he was shooting the fleas off the squirrel before he shot it. Don't laugh, I have seen lots and lots of pictures of our BC's head shot squirrels. And as proof about the fleas, you don't see any fleas on the squirrels in the pictures, do you? I rest my case. BC rules! O0
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