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Taking on PETA over new ad campaign
Activist group spokesman defends 'Your Daddy Kills Animals' comic
  • Your Daddy kills animals           
  Nov. 29: The Situation's Tucker     
  Carlson gets tough with PETA who     
  have come out with a new             
  anti-fishing campaign that makes dad
  out to be a killer.                 

Updated: 5:49 p.m. ET Nov. 30, 2005
 Tucker Carlson                                                             
 Anchor, 'The Situation'                                                   

A good advertisement is designed to grab people's attention, but PETA's
recent campaign to stop fishing has some fishermen, very much including
MSNBC's Tucker Carlson, pretty annoyed.

PETA is distributing leaflets that show an angry cartoon father figure
ripping apart a fish. Plastered over the picture in big letters, it says,
"Your Daddy Kills Animals."

On Tuesday, Carlson welcomed Bruce Friedrich, PETA's director of farmed
animal campaigns to as he said, "defend the indefensible."

TUCKER CARLSON: I'm offended by this. I can't believe actually that you
put this out. This is an attack on fathers aimed at children. How could
you do this?

BRUCE FRIEDRICH: Well, Tucker, it's an attack on cruelty to animals, and
our point is very, very serious. If you fish, I can see how you'd be
offended by it, because fishing supports cruelty to animals. If you
wouldn't take a hook and put it through a dog's mouth and drag that animal
behind the car, you shouldn't do that to fish.

CARLSON: Well, there are so many false statements in your last sentence,
let me just pick them apart one by one.

First, I want to talk about this comic book ... "Your Daddy Kills
Animals." In here you have lines like this, "Since your daddy is teaching
you the wrong lessons about right and wrong, you should teach him fishing
is killing. Until your daddy learns it's not fun to kill, keep your
doggies and kitties away from him. He's so hooked on killing defenseless
animals, they could be next."

I assume you have no children, right? You couldn't. Nobody with children
would put this out, because that's the kind of thing that gives kids
nightmares. I mean, seriously, your daddy's going to kill your dog? Come

FRIEDRICH: Tucker, we focus grouped the ad. Kids get it. If you watch
MTV, you go to the web sites that kids like, even watch Saturday morning
cartoons, this is the sort of hyperbole that kids really like. But it
makes a serious point, scientifically, biologically. Fish feel pain in the
same way that dogs and cats feel pain. Cruelty to fish is no more morally
justifiable than is cruelty to dogs or cats.

CARLSON: What about cruelty to children and their fathers? I'm serious.
I'm totally serious. Why go -- why go after kids? Why go after kids?
Why? You have an adult point to make. Why not change adult minds?

FRIEDRICH: Well, I think it's important to go after both, but kids get
it. We focus-grouped the comic book with kids. Kids, to a kid, thought
that it was fantastic. And unlike a lot of the other things that were
being focused-grouped, kids could, after reading it, they remembered what
they had read, because it was appealing and it was interesting.

CARLSON: Bruce, even in Washington, a focus group is not a moral
justification. I don't care what your focus group said. How about common
sense? How about you don't accuse parents of wanting to kill the family
pet? I mean, that's so sick. That's so over the top. Totally serious,

FRIEDRICH: I know you're totally serious, but you're underestimating these
kids. I worked for more than six years in a homeless shelter for
families. I spend a lot of time around kids. You're underestimating

CARLSON: I've got four kids. Don't lecture me about kids. I know I
would-if someone slipped this under my door, I'd punch them out. I
couldn't handle it.

FRIEDRICH: You as a fisherman don't like it.

CARLSON: Hold on, first of all, I'm a fisherman who doesn't ever kill
fish. I not only unhook the fish on barbless hooks, but I you know, do my
best not to kill them, and they rarely die. I'm not attempting to justify
my own fishing. I don't need to.

Here's the point I want to make, though, and it's a public policy point.
Fishermen help and save fish populations. Where do you think the money
from fishing licenses goes? It goes to save wetlands, inland wetlands in
this country, and it goes to repopulate streams, brooks, and lakes with
fish. That's why we have a lot of fish because of fishermen, period. It's

FRIEDRICH: Tucker, fish feel pain in the same way as dogs and cats.
Impaling them on hook supports cruelty to animals, and it's not
justifiable. Additionally, eating fish rots your brain. The Environmental
Protection Agency says that if you eat fish as few as two times...

CARLSON: You're switching from topic to topic.

FRIEDRICH: Yes, but if we're going to be talking about what we should be
offended about, we should be offended that the Environmental Protection
Agency isn't telling you that if you're feeding your kid fish, you're
feeding them poison.

CARLSON: Hold on. Hold on. Without getting, if you feed your kid
poisoned fish, you're feeding them poison.


CARLSON: If you're feeding them unpoisoned fish, you're not. But look, I

FRIEDRICH: If you're feeding your kid tuna or salmon or fish sticks,
you're feeding your kid poison.

CARLSON: Now you're attacking. Now you're attacking.

FRIEDRICH: The 'Wall Street Journal' front page piece about a kid who was
eating tuna sandwiches on a daily basis. He went from being an honor
student to being in remedial reading. He went from being a jock to being
unable to catch a football. Front page, "Wall Street Journal," August 1.

CARLSON: It must be true. It was in the newspaper. Of course it's true.
Come on, Bruce, you know that. It's axiomatic.

FRIEDRICH: Tucker, it's based on the Environmental Protection Agency
saying that if you eat any fish as few as two times a week, you will have
measurable decrease in your cognitive function.

CARLSON: I guess I'm just amazed, as I have been before. I've interviewed
Ingrid Newkirk, the head of your organization. And I'm sympathetic. I
love animals. I have a lot of animals.

FRIEDRICH: Thank you.

CARLSON: Unlike Ingrid Newkirk, who has no animals, incidentally.

FRIEDRICH: The point is, she cares for...

CARLSON: Yes, she cares, but she doesn't have any. The point -- the point
I'm making, you're very concerned about the feelings of fish. But you
don't care at all about the feelings of kids, or their parents.

FRIEDRICH: That's not fair.

CARLSON: No, it's totally fair. You're putting out this garbage. If you
cared, you wouldn't.

FRIEDRICH: Tucker, kids like it. You're underestimating them. Kids like
it. It's focused on kids age 12 and up, and it speaks to them in a
language that they understand. No kids are going to be traumatized by
this. Kids, to a kid, think it's fantastic and retain the information.

CARLSON: Don't send it to my house, Bruce.


CARLSON: I wouldn't care for it one bit. I appreciate you coming on

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I wonder why Tucker didn't bring up the fact about PETA's animal shelter killing the vast majority of the animals they take in?  Or about their employees dumping the carcasses in other people's dumpsters? ???
The only purpose of bread is to hold meat!

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Man that guy is pi$$ed and he has a right to be.  I have no kids but 2 younger brothers and sisters, and a father and grandfather that love fishing.  Someone slips that on my door my sister would be traumatized and never be near my dad or grandpa.  I loved how this guy argued and won with this petard.  GO FISHING O0

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This PETA crap is getting so old.  It is irritating to read and just as irritating to provide comment.

They act as if we are running through the woods and streams killing everything that moves without purpose or conviction.  Do they not think we learned anything from the near extinction of the buffalo or bald eagle?

I find their ploy to set children against there dads for fishing utterly appalling.  That is like saying your dad is evil because he works for a construction company that tears down old houses, and sooner or later, he will end up tearing down your house and you will have no place to live.  Your mommy is the devil because she drives a car that pollutes the air you need to breathe, so eventually, she will try to suffocate you.  It is a bunch of over dramatized crap, which in my mind, should be considered child abuse.

If these people thought about their actions, they would realize they are killing animals trying to get their points across.  How many trees are cut down, ruining animal habitats, to make the paper on which their propaganda is printed?  How many insects are stepped on and killed during their protests?  How many animals die from the use of farm equipment harvesting the fruits and vegetables of which they are so fond?  The truth, if you want to look at things from an extreme view, as they do, is that the mere existence of the human race destroys animals.  By their extreme logic, that would mean the human race must be exterminated to provide true Ethical Treatment of Animals.

If they claim to be so dedicated to their cause, why are they not holding mass suicide parties?  You know, “People Eliminating Themselves for Animals.”
I have long know that it is part of God's plan for me to spend a little time with each of the most stupid people on earth.

I see you're playing stupid again...  looks like you're winning too.

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too big to quote the whole thing, but mad, definatly take a bow after that one my friend! definatly good points, now if we just had a few lawyers who were ballsey enough to go for the child abuse angle on them!!!
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I thought Mr. Tucker Carlson showed how much Gut Pile Style he really has. O0
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