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Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« on: May 24, 2006, 01:57:00 PM »
Picked up a Win 1300 Black Shadow Speed Pump slug gun in 20 guage the other day.  Took it out to the range and put a few through it.  Had the Brenneke "all purpose" slugs that are supposed to work well in both smooth bore and rifled barrels.  They SUCKED!  Keyholing at 50 yards and patterned all over the place.  Had some Remington Buckhammers - What a difference!  Did they ever perform - every 3 shot group had 2 touching and one just a little off, no more than and inch and a half.

What do you other slug shooters like?  Trying to find a good round that won't make me remove my left testicle just to buy a couple boxes.  Anybody load their own - like with BPI Dangerous game slugs or some other slug available for reloading?
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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2006, 02:56:23 PM »
I killed my first 2 deer with a REM 870 wingmaster Left Handed model with a smooth bore Mod Barrel I used 2 3/4 in Brenneke Magnum 1 1/8 ounce rifled slugs.  my 2 nd deer 10 pt I shot at 100 + yards the bead covered his back when i shot. I know this sounds crazy but its true. My Dad was a witness and bought me a REM M700 30/06 after that for christmas/birthday present. He said I wouldnt get that lucky again. 

I liked those Brenneke slugs but I like my 30/06 a lot better

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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2006, 04:03:14 PM »
if the buck hammers shooting that good . i think you have found your slug. but i will get back to you about this my best bud owns a gun/ammo shop ( not trying to make a sell here but if you ever need hard to find ammo let me know i can get it.) he was talking to this guy and he order some hard to find slugs i will check into it.
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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2006, 05:00:40 PM »
I've used the Remington Solid Copper slugs for years out of a Remington 870 Express with a rifled slug barrel.  They have never let me down.  I got some of the Federal slugs with the Barnes Xpander bullets in them, but haven't had a chance to shoot anything with them.  I got tired of the stomping my shoulder was taking with the slugs.  Anymore, if I go some place where you have to either use a shotgun or a muzzleloader, I take my muzzleloader.  I get better accuracy and as they say.....Dead Is Dead! O0
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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2006, 09:43:58 AM »
I shoot a Remmington 11-87 with a rifle barrel and a simmons 3-9 scope and found that Lightfield slugs work beautiful I also went to their web sight and they reccommend sighting in about 2 1/2 inches high at 50 yards which will cover you out to 150 yards. I haen't  got to the range yet to try it but I hope to before too long.

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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2006, 01:52:28 PM »
This is several different posts I have made on this topic.


I thought you might find this interesting

1979 9 point 20 gu Mossberg pump Sears slugs
1982 2 Does 12 gu Mossberg pump Remington slug
1985 Doe 12 gu Winchester 1200 Brenneke slug
1987 Doe 12 gu Ithaca Model 37 Remington slug
1988 B.buck 12 gu Winchester 1200 Federal slug
1991 Doe 12 gu Remington 1100 Hastings barrel French sabot
1991 8 point 12 gu Winchester 97 Winchester slug
1993 B.buck 12 gu Ithaca 37 Winchester slug
1995 8 point Reminton 1100 Hastings Barrel Lightfield slug
1995 6 point 20 gu pump Mossberg Winchester
1995 B.buck Remington 1100 Hastings barrel Lightfield slug
1995 B.buck Remington 1100 hastings barrel Lightfield slug
1997 3 Does Remington 1100 hastings Barrel Hornaday XTP slug
1997 B.buck Remington 1100 hastings Barrel Hornaday XTP slug
1998 3 Does REmington 1100 Hastings Barrel Hornaday XTP slug
2000 3 Does Remington 1100 hastings barrel Hornaday XTP slug
2000 B.buck Remington 1100 Hastings barrel Hornaday XTP slug
2002 Doe 12 gu Winchester model 12 Federal slugs

If anybody is interested I also track yardages shot at, number of shots taken, number of hits, and type of sights on each gun along with weather conditions.


This product is excellent, but very expensive $13.00 for 6 cartridges.

http://www.sauvestre.com/index_us.htm

I have a 12 guage REmington 1100 special field with Hastings rifled barrel and Leopold IER shotgun scope 2.5x that I like to shoot Hornaday SST Sabots out of.

25 dead deer can't be wrong. I lived in a shotgun only area for many years and built this rig strictly for deer hunting. I did have the barrel pinned to the receiver as I didn't care for the receiver mounted sites as they tended to pinch the receiver. I also had Lafever arms glass bed and float the barrel, probably excessive on a shot gun but I like tack driver guns.

Hastings doesn't reccomend Remington Copper Solids in their rifled barrels and I've had a Lightfield become lodged in my barrel due to a bad wad.

Personally I would look at Federal Sabots or Hornaday's SST

Federal Sabots

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Here's a pic of the Barnes Expander I recovered from a cowhorn I shot the last week of the season. The slug entered the rib cage and came to rest under the hide on the offside ham. Range was about 50 yards. At the shot the buck fell nose first into the snow and then rolled over dead.

This is the first Barnes Expander I have recovered from game and it shows perfect performance. It's just a devastating projectile and I think Federal has a winner loading it. 






Rickey Shannon and I were talking about Federal Sabots the other day and I remembered a post Buster NC made on another forum. I was really impressed with the performance. Enough that I am going to give them a try. I have been using Hornaday XTPs for quite a while, but find them hard to find here in NC.

Remington, Federal, Winchester all produce similar styles of Foster slugs with similar composition type of lead alloy. Brennekes are designed in Europe (I think Germany) and use a different style of slug with attached wad for stabilation. The alloy they use lead and I believe tin added is very hard (too hard in my opinion). Brenneke's fly very true, but don't mushroom as well as the Remingtons, Federals, Winchesters. I prefer Brennekes in my 20 guage, but in my 12 guage 870 if I have the smoothbore barrel on, I use Federals or Winchesters. I caution you on Remington sluggers. They cost my father a buck this year as he had not one but two in a row with a bad primer in his 16 guage. He got the third shot off and he just wounded the buck, luckily it ran to another member in our party who got it. I have several guns made by Remington that I purchased right at the plant in Ilion, NY having several friends that work there, but won't use Remington shells as won't many of there employees. Remington jobs out its ammo production to Mexico and I believe the quality is lacking. If you want cheap buy Remington ammo, if you want dependability buy something else


The reason I believe Brennekes don't have the knockdown power is they don't mushroom very well, just like Remington when they first introduced the solid copper sabot. For thin skinned animals these slugs just whistled right through exiting with little mushrooming occuring. A bullet kills by shock and masssive drama to an animals system. If a bullet causes little disruption to an animal the animal will have to expire through blood loss like an arrow and unfortunately you will have less blood loss with a bullet because a bullet will cauterize tissue as it travels through it.

One time I heard a shot nearby while sitting on stand and heard a member of my party yell he hit one. Instantly a large doe ran by me at 8 yards, I swang my Winchester 1200 12 guage pump and fired a single shot at her. Instantly her tail dropped and she ran off. I went over and found blood every where. After a short trail I found her and finished her off. (The other member of my party had missed her entirely). In looking I found my first shot had gone through her hind leg breaking it and hitting an artery and lodged in her other hind leg striking an artery there as well. I got curious because at the range I was shooting there was no reason for me to strike her in the hind legs when I was aiming at the front shoulders even with her running so I went back and investigated my shot. I found when I swung on her that I put the slug through four inches of beech tree and that caused the slug to slow down enough to hit her in the hind legs instead of the front shoulder where I was aiming. It also caused the Brenneke slug to flatten out to just slightly smaller than the size of a half dollar. I decided right then and there that those slugs were too hard if I hadn't hit that tree first that slug would have whistled right on through that deer at that range and never mushroomed properly. The 20 guage Brenneke acts more like a rifle bullet and is a good slug for that guage.

12 guage Brennekes would be good medicine for bears, moose, cape buffalo, lions...Dare I say elephants, but I don't believe in them for any light skinned game animals.

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I have shot 25 deer with slugs both with a smoothbore barrel and rifled barrel.

From a smooth bore I prefer Winchester or Federal 2 3/4 " rifled slugs. I have had problems with Remington slugs, they tend to be the most undersized of the 3 majors and therefore have accuracy problems. I like Brenneke but in 20 gauge only. The alloy they use is very hard and doesn't not mushroom properly in the 12 gauge. This is actually a benefit for the less powerful 20 gauge causing better penetration.

As far as Sabots go I don't like Remington Copper Solids, which tend to shear rather than mushroom when they hit something solid.

I had a problem with a defective wad which allowed all the powder to trickle forward on a Lightfield sabot which caused the bullet to become lodged in the barrel when I shot. I tend to shy away from them for this reason. (When I contacted Lightfield they informed they got a bad batch of wads from their supplier and sent me a case of their shells as an apology) Lightfield is very accurate and good for slug shoots but I don't think they are very effective on deer.

I prefer ball fleche sauvestre when I can find them. This is a French made sabot that looks like a dart without the point. This is a very stable sabot and 70mm in size where as most sabots are 50 mm.
http://www.sauvestre.com/index_us.htm

http://www.sauvestre.com/jpeg/12-70.jpg


Quite often I have to use Hornady SST which are pretty good
https://www.hornady.com/shop/

https://www.hornady.com/shop/shop_image/product/SST_SHOTGUN_SLUG_PKG.jpg

Winchester bought the old BRI design and make a good Sabot

Federal also puts out a good sabot.

Personally unless I was planning on most of my shots being over 75 yards I would stick with the smoothbore barrel and rifled winchester or Federal slugs in 2 3/4"

I would stay away from all buckshot unless you are hunting a thick area and plan on your shots being 30 yards or less and then I would use 00 buck.

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CJ12-06-2005, 09:59 AM
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I see our new member R. McEwen has posted a link to Quik Shok Sabots. I am not qualified to review these as I have never shot a deer with them even though I do have a box of them in my gun cabinet. (Just haven't gotten a chance to test them). What did sell me on them however was the price. I can't remember what I paid for mine but I see the website is selling them for $11.00 for 10 shells in comparison my Balle Fleche shells are $13.00 for 6 shells. They appear to be a good shell for the budget minded individual shooting a rifled barrel. I do question the fragmenting that they show on their site. I personally like a bullet that holds together.

http://www.polywad-shotgun-shells.com/images/qs04a.jpg

http://www.polywad-shotgun-shells.com/images/qs09.jpg

http://www.polywad-shotgun-shells.com/images/qs14.jpg

Great for big game hunting, our high Performance 12 Gauge 2-3/4" "Quik-Shok" Sabot Slug provides reduced felt recoil!

Polywad's Quik-Shok Sabot Slugs are loaded to 1,500 fps. The patented Quik-Shok slug is .68 caliber as opposed to the .50 caliber slug that most other 12 Gauge sabot slugs use.

The Quik-Shok slug weighs 1 1/8 oz. (492 grains) and splits into three massive segments after penetrating liquid or tissue, even at ranges beyond 100 yards.

One of the more important Quik-Shok advantages gained by big game hunters is the rapid energy transfer which is diffused over a large area within the target. The dispersion action of the sheared segments creates massive hemorrhaging. Each of the three segments promote compression of nerve-laden tissues which become trapped between expanding temporary cavities, resulting in maximum motor interruption.

These three recovered pieces
of the QS12MPRS Sabot Slug
each average over 160 grains
in weight. This is the
equivalent of shooting three
30/06 160 gr. projectiles!
The projectile segmentation also increases the probability of striking or affecting one or more vital organs, even in the event of a poorly-placed bullet.


The Quik-Shok Sabot Slug was designed to eliminate over-penetration and minimize ricochet. The Quik-Shok projectile either separates into three pieces when penetrating a liquid or tissue target, or expands to a large, ellipsoidal shape when impacting a hard surface. This transformation drastically reduces its velocity and energy and limits its post-impact range. This, of course, minimizes the threat to downrange bystanders and property.

The projectile itself is a modified Foster slug, carefully designed for optimum accuracy.

The patented Q-S1 intrusion process is accomplished when a three-bladed punch penetrates a cylindrical-solid lead core to a predetermined distance. Each cut terminates just short of its periphery, creating a thin web of material. The purpose of the web areas is to control the degree and rate of expansion and subsequent segmentation.

The cut slug is then transferred to a profile die which creates a hollow point, a hollow base, and shapes the projectile's ogive. During this step, the thickness of the web areas is maintained and all air spaces are eliminated.

* Segment Dispersion is the pattern the three pieces take as they angle away from the center of impact.

This picture at impact illustrates the devastating power of the Quik-Shok 12 gauge Sabot Slug projectile! The 45 pound block of 10% Ballistics gelatin has been lifted from the stand. The slug split into three segments and remained in the gelatin.


Close-up of the gelatin block showing the three segments after they have been stopped in the block. The circle of dispersion from center is six inches.


In this picture, a 5" thick gelatin block was been shot at close range with the Quik-Shok 12 gauge Sabot slug. Had this been a larger block of gelatin, each of the three QS12MPRS Sabot slug pieces would penetrate an average of 13" to 15". The three pieces would come to rest in a triangular pattern ("circle of dispersion") no less than six inches apart.

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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2006, 10:56:16 AM »
In my Mossberg 595 smoothbore, the best I've found is the plain old Federal 2-3/4"  sluggers. Out to 75 yds, they print the smallest group, I've yet to lose a deer I've hit with one, and best of all-they're cheap.
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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2006, 01:23:06 PM »
I'm glad i don't have to hunt with slug guns. p.s whats up with the states that says only shot gun's and muzz-loaders only. is if for safety # of hunters in woods are to give the deer more of op-.  so please in-lighten me on this sub-I'm a 40 year old Southerner and don't know much about the yankee-ways.  p.s.s  let"s not start a north vs south thing just making small talk boy's we are all brother's in arm's
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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2006, 01:55:44 PM »
Actually its is even not a North/South thing as parts of Virginia, North Carolina and Indiana are all shotgun only.

In NY it was just an old law that is gradually changing.  The county I was born and raised in just approved the use of rifles last year.  With shotguns changing to rifled barrels and sabots, handguns such as the TC Contender and Encore, and inline and smokeless muzzleloaders being allowed, it was inevitable that the law would be changed to allowed rifles.

I actually find more use of shotguns here in the south with the dog hunters using them with buckshot on ruuning deer.

In NY buckshot was illegal.
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Re: Slug shooters - what's your favprite?
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2006, 01:57:47 PM »
thanks for feed back.
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