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RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« on: January 26, 2009, 09:43:07 PM »
So many people complain about the price of kibble today, and that is because it's expensive. Even the "low budget" cheap feeds are getting expensive, and to add insult to injury these feeds are terrible for dogs nutrtionally. Feeding dogs cheap kibble is tantamount to feeding your children the dryest McDonald's French fries for their entire lives. Sooner or later, they will have serious health problems.

The simple fact is, no kibbled diet is as good as feeding a proper raw diet. And even most of the so-called "premium" kibbles have rice, corns, etc. in them ... and then cost over $1.00/lb. Worse, even the WalMart cheapies (i.e., Ol' Roy) are now costing $0.50/lb for what is little more than a bag of dried corns, glutens, soys, etc.

I am offering for your consideration a raw diet that is even cheaper to feed than Ol' Roy, can likewise be obtained at WalMart, but that offers a hundred times better nutrition. I will admit that this diet is not a "premium" RAW diet, but a low budget raw diet for larger kennel situations that trying to keep their costs down, and yet still provide their animals decent nutrition. The big claim that larger kennel operations cite as a reason for not feeding raw is "cost" and "convenience."

Well, feeding raw is always going to be a bit more inconvenient than feeding kibble, there is no way around that, but I have made this formula as convenient as I can (as again you can get everything at WalMart). It is likewise as cost-effective as it can be (less per-lb than even than Ol' Roy). Keep in mind, individual prices may differ, but at my local WalMart, Ol' Roy is now $20.88 for 40 lb (which is $0.52/lb), and the following raw diet I am listing can be put together for only $0.50/lb. Here are the items:





Food Item.............................Cost Per Meal

Raw Chicken Quarters (8 oz)................$0.290
1 Cup White Rice (8 oz).......................$0.087
Whole Egg (2 oz)................................$0.121
Plain Yogurt (1.2 oz)...........................$0.079
1 Tsp Lard (1/6th oz)..........................$0.013
½ Vitamin Pill (0 oz)............................$0.014

19.2 oz meal........................................ $0.60 = Total Cost


*  WalMart offers 10-lb bags of chicken quarters for $5.78, which pans-out to be only about $0.58/lb.
*  You can get 20 lb of Matma white rice for $13.12 at WalMart also. Keep in mind that 1/3 cup of rice grains makes a full cup of cooked rice (after you add 2/3-cup of water and heat it). There are 50.5 cups of rice grains in the 20-lb sack, which after adding water make 151.5 cups of rice for $13.12, making each cup of rice cost only $0.087 (just under nine cents a cup).
*  You can also get a carton of 60 (5-dozen) eggs for $7.24 (which comes to $0.97/lb), and each egg weighs about 2 oz (or about 12.1 cents per egg).
*  You can buy a quart of "Great Value" plain yogurt for about $1.57 each (which is about $0.79/lb), and it has been my experience that you can scoop out about 20 heaping tablespoons per container, which is about 7.9 cents per serving.
*  You can also get a bottle of 300 Equate Multi-Vitamin pills for $8.42. Since a little dog doesn’t need the full horse pill, you can cut each vitamin in half, which means you get 600 multi-vitamins for just over eight bucks (or $0.014/pill). The best way to feed the half-vitamin pill is to stuff it in a teaspoon of lard.
*  You can get a 4-lb tub of Armour Lard for $4.82, and since 4 lb = 64 oz, and since 1 tsp = 1/6th of an ounce, this means you get 384 teaspoon servings for less than five bucks, or $0.013 per serving (just over one cent).

This means the above meal would cost 29 cents + 8.7 cents + 12.1 cents + 7.9 cents + 1.3 cents + 1.4 cents which would equal a total cost of 60.4 cents for 19.2 oz of feed, which translates to just over $0.030/ounce—or just over $0.50/lb—and it’s still a better meal compared to just about any commercial kibble.





That’s right, you can shop at WalMart and feed your dogs a low budget raw diet for less than what it costs to feed Ol’ Roy, the lousiest feed on the market, and yet it is better for your dogs than virtually any high-end kibble. You don't need to go to butchers, slaughterhouses, or any other inconvenient spot for many folks ... you can get all of these things right at WalMart.

Just purchase a crock pot for the rice (also at WalMart), in a size commensurate with the number of dogs you have (1 cup of rice per dog), and you will be saving money AND feeding your dogs better. There is simply no excuse to feed kibble anymore with today's prices.

Again, I do admit there are raw diets better than this (no rice, etc); but rice provides a good filler to keep the weight on, and my point was to provide a LOW BUDGET ("anyone can get it") raw diet for larger kennel situations.

All you need is a meat cleaver, the crock pot, and a cutting board. Lay the number of eggs, vitamins, chicken pieces out there ... and stack a buncha bowls ... and you can feed a yard of dogs better than any kibble ... for LESS MONEY than any kibble.

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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 09:56:16 PM »
What's the red stuff? ??? And are you not supposed to cook the chicken? I know the bones are fine, but I thought the raw chicken still held issue.
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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 09:59:09 PM »
Thats cool Tech. I like feeden my pups raw deer and raw cat meat. Whats funny is seeing my chickens take the raw deer away from the pups. They (Pups) just watch em eat their meat. I know eventually the pups will eat the chickens if they get too close. ;D ;D

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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 10:05:28 PM »
What's the red stuff? ??? And are you not supposed to cook the chicken? I know the bones are fine, but I thought the raw chicken still held issue.


Hot dang I forgot about that!
If you're wondering "where I got the veggies," it is the waste products from my own personal juicer. Rather than cook my own vegetable for myself, I merely juice, and then I distribute the "garbage" evenly amongst my dogs. Again, you can go to Walmart and get a huge, wide-mouthed juicer for about $50. I had a smaller one, but they suck compared to the big-mouthed juicer featured. You don't have to cut the veggies much (if at all) and can just stuff a whole tomato, several carrots, etc. right down the pipe.



This right here is a bushel of carrots, celery, asparagus, tomatoes, cauliflower, an apple (for taste), plus half a jalapeņo, as well as a horn of garlic clove. I just process all of this with the juicer, and I give myself quite a nutritious 1.8 glasses of juice (if you have a family, this would easily spread-out to about 4 smaller glasses of highly-nutritious vegetable juice):



Rather than eating vegetables "conventionally," I just have gotten into the habit of juicing instead ... because all of what I would normally "throw away" from their juicer is now an ultra-processed veggie-mix for the doggies :D



I merely take a rubber frosting scraper and scrape-out every bit of what's left into a doggie bowl ...



... and then I stir it up a bit to evenly-distribute the vegetable matter. This mixed bowl translates to 3 heaping tablespoons of vegetable mix that I am able to distribute amongst the 10 dogs I am currently feeding.



Anyway, giving the dogs the processed vegetable pulp from a juicer is a thousand-times more nutritious for them than giving them whatever is left of any vegetable when offered as a "dry pellet" in kibble form, so to me using a juicer for oneself is not only good for your own health, but it is also the very best and most economical way to pass the nutrition along to your dogs too.

The cost is negligible, because you too have already eaten these vegetables myself, and thus am merely using the garbage I would have otherwise thrown away. So essentially I am using the same vegetable twice 8)

Anyway, just another way to feed top quality nutrition to the dogs, economically, in these depressed times.

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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 10:17:17 PM »
And what of the chicken question?
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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 10:38:03 PM »
And what of the chicken question?

In countries where Salmonila is a big problem feeding RAW chicken is not done.We here do not have to worry so much about the issue.Properly kept chicken should pose no problems.

I have been feeding RAW chicken for 2 years now with no ill effects.

On another note Rifleman had brought up the issue with chicken bones.Cooked chicken bones splinter RAW bones break apart.Dogs will do a good job of chewing the quarters up as they are tooo big to swallow whole.Pitbulls having such stronger jaw muscles typiclly have no problem crunching the bones with ease...you can give frozen to ensure the bones being crushed enough.

Do not feed cooked bones of any kind!

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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 11:19:00 PM »
I came across this at salmonella.org.

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Q: I'm researching a diet for dogs that feeds Raw Chicken backs and necks. My biggest concern was the Samonella, yet I'm being told that Salmonella doesn't affect dogs in a negative way. Is there any place that you know of where I could research this more in-depth. Also, I what is the most effective cleaning agent to kill the bacteria on my counters. I've been using hot soapy water with a splash of bleach. Will this be sufficient to keep the kitchen sterile?.....

Thank you so much for your time.

      A: It is not clear that Salmonella does not affect dogs in a negative way. Most dogs do not get serious Salmonella infections, but that is probably because they do not usually get large doses of infected food/water as might occur if fed raw chicken. Furthermore, dogs can be carriers of Salmonella. so infected dogs can be a serious risk for human health. (Also note that raw chicken may lead to Campylobacter infections as well as Salmonella infections.)

      There is ample epidemological evidence that dog feces may be an important source of environmental contamination, and spread of Salmonella to humans (try a search of PubMed for the keywords Salmonella AND dog). One reference directly related to inclusion of raw chicken in dogfood is:

      Can Vet J 2002 Jun;43(6):441-2 Preliminary assessment of the risk of Salmonella infection in dogs fed raw chicken diets. Joffe DJ, Schlesinger DP.

      Also note the following reference that mentions the incidence of disease in dogs:

      Vaccine 2002 Feb 22;20(11-12):1618-23 Immunogenicity of chi4127 phoP- Salmonella enterica serovar Typhimurium in dogs. McVey DS, Chengappa MM, Mosier DE, Stone GG, Oberst RD, Sylte MJ, Gabbert NM, Kelly-Aehle SM, Curtiss R. "Salmonellae are commonly isolated from dogs. The number of dogs infected with Salmonella spp. is surprisingly high and greater than the incidence of clinical disease would suggest. Salmonellosis is common in greyhound kennels. Morbidity can approach 100% in puppies and the mortality ranges to nearly 40%."
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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 10:26:12 AM »
Darn, I thought you were going to tell us to put up a sign that said PETA convention today. ;D :twisted:

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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 09:46:09 PM »
Im sorry but sounds to me like awful lot of trouble everyday!
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Re: RAW is cheaper to feed than junky ol`roy???
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 11:10:42 PM »
Its all in how much you depend on your dogs for hunten. O0

 


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